Comments on: RAYS 8, Blue Jays 3: Victory from the jaws of defeat http://viewfromthebleachers.com/raysoflight/2008/05/09/rays-8-blue-jays-3-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat/ Tampa Bay Rays Blog and News - Rays of Light Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:33:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: bobr http://viewfromthebleachers.com/raysoflight/2008/05/09/rays-8-blue-jays-3-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-7607 bobr Fri, 09 May 2008 16:49:49 +0000 http://viewfromthebleachers.com/raysoflight/2008/05/09/rays-8-blue-jays-3-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat/#comment-7607 Camp's outing is an indication of why he is not a good pitcher, but it is not an indication that he is a bad one. On the contrary, it is typical of his ilk, a middle reliever who is often very useful but who is erratic and so unreliable. Consider that before last night he had appeared 6 times and thrown 5.2 innings in which he had given up 2 hits, 0 BBs, 0 runs (earned or unearned) and gotten 7 Ks. Then in his 7th game, he was terrible. Now I doubt he will be effective in 6 of every 7 appearances, but wouldn't you say that so far he has been a useful pitcher for the Blue Jays. And if he is effective even in 5 of every 7 appearances, wouldn't you take that? Who would you prefer on your team? Camp at minimum or so wage or the multimillion dollar LaTroy Hawkins of the 7.02 ERA and 14 appearances in 5 of which he gave up runs. Once 6 in .2 IP, once 3 in .1 IP and another time 2 in .1 IP? I don't say this to compare the two or suggest Camp is better than Hawkins; a lot more data is needed to do either. But it does reflect the nature of middle relievers who dot the rosters of every team in the majors. Camp’s outing is an indication of why he is not a good pitcher, but it is not an indication that he is a bad one. On the contrary, it is typical of his ilk, a middle reliever who is often very useful but who is erratic and so unreliable.

Consider that before last night he had appeared 6 times and thrown 5.2 innings in which he had given up 2 hits, 0 BBs, 0 runs (earned or unearned) and gotten 7 Ks. Then in his 7th game, he was terrible. Now I doubt he will be effective in 6 of every 7 appearances, but wouldn’t you say that so far he has been a useful pitcher for the Blue Jays. And if he is effective even in 5 of every 7 appearances, wouldn’t you take that?

Who would you prefer on your team? Camp at minimum or so wage or the multimillion dollar LaTroy Hawkins of the 7.02 ERA and 14 appearances in 5 of which he gave up runs. Once 6 in .2 IP, once 3 in .1 IP and another time 2 in .1 IP? I don’t say this to compare the two or suggest Camp is better than Hawkins; a lot more data is needed to do either. But it does reflect the nature of middle relievers who dot the rosters of every team in the majors.

]]> By: BillG http://viewfromthebleachers.com/raysoflight/2008/05/09/rays-8-blue-jays-3-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-7604 BillG Fri, 09 May 2008 15:37:12 +0000 http://viewfromthebleachers.com/raysoflight/2008/05/09/rays-8-blue-jays-3-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat/#comment-7604 What gives with Gomes? Is he not loved? Lots of HRs but too many whiffs? Will he be traded or just continue to dry out on the bench? I am really unclear as to the Rays' intent. What gives with Gomes? Is he not loved? Lots of HRs but too many whiffs? Will he be traded or just continue to dry out on the bench? I am really unclear as to the Rays’ intent.

]]> By: Gus http://viewfromthebleachers.com/raysoflight/2008/05/09/rays-8-blue-jays-3-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-7603 Gus Fri, 09 May 2008 15:24:59 +0000 http://viewfromthebleachers.com/raysoflight/2008/05/09/rays-8-blue-jays-3-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat/#comment-7603 "Camper did his job." -- Joe Maddon “Camper did his job.” — Joe Maddon

]]> By: Jaxson http://viewfromthebleachers.com/raysoflight/2008/05/09/rays-8-blue-jays-3-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-7602 Jaxson Fri, 09 May 2008 14:35:10 +0000 http://viewfromthebleachers.com/raysoflight/2008/05/09/rays-8-blue-jays-3-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat/#comment-7602 Do you really think the fact that the Jays screwed up the execution on the run-down gives B.J. a pass for another boneheaded move on the bases? Sure, it turned out well, but it was still another baserunning mistake. The percentage of times he's made the extra base compared to attempts is horrible. Do you really think the fact that the Jays screwed up the execution on the run-down gives B.J. a pass for another boneheaded move on the bases? Sure, it turned out well, but it was still another baserunning mistake. The percentage of times he’s made the extra base compared to attempts is horrible.

]]> By: NMRAYS http://viewfromthebleachers.com/raysoflight/2008/05/09/rays-8-blue-jays-3-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-7601 NMRAYS Fri, 09 May 2008 13:57:02 +0000 http://viewfromthebleachers.com/raysoflight/2008/05/09/rays-8-blue-jays-3-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat/#comment-7601 Very surprised you didn't touch on the irony that Camp was the one that finally allowed the Rays to break through in extras. There were plenty of storylines in this game, but the Camp one was especially intriguing. It's nice to be on this side of his sucking. Very surprised you didn’t touch on the irony that Camp was the one that finally allowed the Rays to break through in extras. There were plenty of storylines in this game, but the Camp one was especially intriguing. It’s nice to be on this side of his sucking.

]]> By: Adam http://viewfromthebleachers.com/raysoflight/2008/05/09/rays-8-blue-jays-3-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-7600 Adam Fri, 09 May 2008 13:01:29 +0000 http://viewfromthebleachers.com/raysoflight/2008/05/09/rays-8-blue-jays-3-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat/#comment-7600 Not only do we have plenty of games against the Sox left, the Sox and Yankees still have plenty of games against each other. Neither team ever really gains ground when those two play each other. That is the great thing about this division. Everyone is so busy beating up on each other that if a team can put together a solid winning streak, they can make a run at the playoffs. Not only do we have plenty of games against the Sox left, the Sox and Yankees still have plenty of games against each other. Neither team ever really gains ground when those two play each other. That is the great thing about this division. Everyone is so busy beating up on each other that if a team can put together a solid winning streak, they can make a run at the playoffs.

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