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Trade Or Extension? What's the Future for Samardzija?

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MVP – Garrett Jones (.394 WPA)

No, you’re not imagining it. There is a new post on the blog from me. It’s been a little while, but I’m back. Unfortunately the first day back resulted in a loss. Ah, who am I kidding, even when I’m here a lot it results in a loss. On to the notes.

Prior to the game, Theo Epstein was interviewed on both the Score and ESPN 1000 in Chicago. He didn’t really address anything new on the trade front, but there have been reports that the Cubs have made a new offer for an extension to Jeff Samardzija. Personally, I don’t think the return is out there to match what the Cubs are looking for. These days, while people want to acquire pitching, there is so much risk around pitcher health that it’s hard to mortgage your top prospects in order to acquire it. I am leaning toward rooting for an extension, but something in the three to four year range as opposed to 5+. What I found strange about the recent reports was news that the Cubs were listening to offers not only on Samardzija and Jason Hammel, who we knew about already, but also on Edwin Jackson and Jake Arrieta. Jackson can go at any time, as he’s garbage, but Arrieta? At some point, we have to have someone ready to pitch when the core four come to the big leagues. Arrieta and Travis Wood are building blocks and need to be part of that. A trio of them and Samardzija would be a great nucleus to a starting rotation that would be a strength.

As far as the game itself, it was a little frustrating seeing Brian Schlitter cough up the lead in his inning of work, but it’s going to happen from time to time. I continue to sing the praises of the bullpen, which currently ranks 4th in the NL. I believe I had that one.

It’s an early start today as we try to steal the series in Miami with a 12:40p EDT start. Arrieta takes the mound coming off one of the best starts of his career last time out. I expect a good outing from him and a series win. Baby steps.

  • Doug S.

    Jackson’s getting 13 mill this year. And he’s got 3 more years at 11 each. Overpaid. Why would anybody be thinking extension? I think we have a chance to win when he starts but he’s the number 5 guy at best. Pay him like that.

    • Eddie Von White

      You’re a bum, Edwin Jackson.

      • Dork

        Jackson is paid what free agent pitchers get based on WAR, (this year not last). 8 to 8.5 WAR over the 4 years is what was paid for. Unfortunalty it is fair value.

      • Eddie Von White

        That does not change my opinion.

    • PLCB3

      He has 3 more years? I thought he signed a 4 year deal before the 2013 season? That would mean 2 years left if that is the case. Unless there was some option that already vested?

  • Doug S.

    Jackson’s getting 13 mill this year. And he’s got 3 more years at 11 each. Overpaid. Why would anybody be thinking extension? I think we have a chance to win when he starts but he’s the number 5 guy at best. Pay him like that.

    • Eddie Von White

      You’re a bum, Edwin Jackson.

      • Dork

        Jackson is paid what free agent pitchers get based on WAR, (this year not last). 8 to 8.5 WAR over the 4 years is what was paid for. Unfortunalty it is fair value.

  • Eddie Von White

    I feel like an orphaned child, Joe’s been gone so long.

    • Doug S.

      Joe Daddy is back in the house.

      • Eddie Von White

        My insecurities have been dashed.

  • Eddie Von White

    I feel like an orphaned child, Joe’s been gone so long.

    • Doug S.

      Joe Daddy is back in the house.

      • Eddie Von White

        My insecurities have been dashed.

  • Doc Raker

    I don’t know why they are in such a hurry to dismantle a pretty good pitching staff. We just need some major league hitters at this point and we seem to have some pretty good prospects in the system. Unless we are looking to get younger arms in the almost ready category to go along with the position player prospects we have.

    • Eddie Von White

      I don’t know which way to go with Smardge. Part of me wants to believe he is the real thing, but part of me feels a foreboding of an imminent breakdown that will leave us with inconsolable forlornness.

      • Doc Raker

        Pretty impressive EVW, 4 words with 4 syllables in 1 sentence.

      • Your English Teacher

        Uh… inconsolable has 4 syllables, none of the others do.
        It’s what I should expect from a Fox News low information voter type.

      • PLCB3

        Sucks to English.

      • AC0000000

        Sucks to English.

      • Common Core Student

        Sorry, I used Obama math, 4 words with 3 syllables or more.

      • PLCB3

        Sucks to Common Core!

      • Common Core Student

        Sorry, I used Obama math, 4 words with 3 syllables or more.

      • AC0000000

        Sucks to Common Core!

      • Eddie Von White

        It’s a slippery slope.

    • Chuck

      I agree, to a point. I believe Hammel and Jackson will be over the hill or gone by the time the prospects get their collective acts together. Other than those two, we need to keep some good starters around to, you know, win games. Otherwise we will have to opposite problem with good hitting and crappy pitching. Unless you can get some grade A pitching prospects fro Shark, you may as well sign him to a reasonable deal unless he is delusional.

      This is based on my belief that the Cubs won’t have a good lineup until 2016 or 2017 and here is why.
      2014: Prospects get September call-ups and fight for inconsistent playing time.
      2015: Prospects get a shot at full-time gigs and at least one of them is a bust while most struggle a bit as most rookies do.
      2016: Lineup solidified with some more prospects and FA signings.

      • I have a feeling he’ll be delusional.

      • Chuck

        I would be too. It is, really, his one shot at a big payday. The Cubs should knock the cobwebs from the wallet and pay him unless he wants something crazy like $25M per year for 8 years.

      • PLCB3

        I’m with you. I’d give him Homer Bailey money but not Tanaka money.

      • Dork

        I think that we might see some September time, but I also think that Jedd and Theo make us wait until June of next year to bring the kids up. Remember Rizzo?

      • PLCB3

        I believe that that was done to get an extra year of control and only because Rizzo already had MLB service time.

      • Doc Raker

        I am with you Chuck, philosophically I mean, not at Subway with you.

      • Chuck

        Maybe you are… Muhahaha!

  • Doc Raker

    I don’t know why they are in such a hurry to dismantle a pretty good pitching staff. We just need some major league hitters at this point and we seem to have some pretty good prospects in the system. Unless we are looking to get younger arms in the almost ready category to go along with the position player prospects we have.

    • Eddie Von White

      I don’t know which way to go with Smardge. Part of me wants to believe he is the real thing, but part of me feels a foreboding of an imminent breakdown that will leave us with inconsolable forlornness.

      • Doc Raker

        Pretty impressive EVW, 4 words with 4 syllables in 1 sentence.

    • Chuck

      I agree, to a point. I believe Hammel and Jackson will be over the hill or gone by the time the prospects get their collective acts together. Other than those two, we need to keep some good starters around to, you know, win games. Otherwise we will have to opposite problem with good hitting and crappy pitching. Unless you can get some grade A pitching prospects fro Shark, you may as well sign him to a reasonable deal unless he is delusional.

      This is based on my belief that the Cubs won’t have a good lineup until 2016 or 2017 and here is why.
      2014: Prospects get September call-ups and fight for inconsistent playing time.
      2015: Prospects get a shot at full-time gigs and at least one of them is a bust while most struggle a bit as most rookies do.
      2016: Lineup solidified with some more prospects and FA signings.

      • I have a feeling he’ll be delusional.

      • Chuck

        I would be too. It is, really, his one shot at a big payday. The Cubs should knock the cobwebs from the wallet and pay him unless he wants something crazy like $25M per year for 8 years.

      • AC0000000

        I’m with you. I’d give him Homer Bailey money but not Tanaka money.

      • Dork

        I think that we might see some September time, but I also think that Jedd and Theo make us wait until June of next year to bring the kids up. Remember Rizzo?

      • AC0000000

        I believe that that was done to get an extra year of control and only because Rizzo already had MLB service time.

      • Doc Raker

        I am with you Chuck, philosophically I mean, not at Subway with you.

      • Chuck

        Maybe you are… Muhahaha!

  • Doc Raker

    “Do fish trot?” After Jim DeSahaie’s introduced the Marlin’s starting pitcher, Nathan Eovaldi, “The Marlins trot out hard throwing Nathan Eovaldi today. The Marlins have the hardest throwing pitching staff we have seen with Eovaldi throwing in the mid 90’s.” Kaspers response is “Do fish trot?” No scouting report on Eovaldi, no comments on how he has been throwing of late, no comment on his arsenal of pitches, just “Do fish trot?”

    Later DeShaie’s noted Eovaldi changing arm slots to get ‘run’ on his various pitches in which Len relied, “It so and so 85th birthday today.”

    Is Len incapable of having a conversation with DeShaie’s regarding the game of baseball.

    Don’t we deserve better? Please sign my petition, “Fire Len Kasper”.

    • Dork

      Len is probably tired of watching this team. Its sounds like he is bored and entertaining himself.

      • Doc Raker

        How about entertaining himself with some insightful baseball talk?

      • Jerry in Wisconsin

        Len is like the guy who tells a joke, and he is the only one to laugh at the punch line. We all just need to move along and ignore the guy who is laughing at himself.

      • PLCB3

        I had a dream last night that Len was rampaging on pancakes and waffles, said absolutely nothing for 10 pitches, and excitedly called several Cubs outs that were close plays that the Cubs made outs on. As in the Cubs hit into these outs.

      • Eddie Von White

        That type of broadcasting is the equivalent of batch cooking. Yes, I am joining in on the batch cooking bashing fest.

      • Doc Raker

        Hard to ignore the guy droning on and on while you watch the game. I usually watch the opposing teams broadcast or tune Pat and Coomer in while watching the TV. With the opposing teams broadcast you get unfiltered truth about the Cubs. They have no bias or corporate interest in whitewashing everything so they really speak honestly about the Cubs. The Marlin broadcasters called Rizzo an emerging power hitter in the league. When Darwin Barney came up they said the outfield should come in 60 feet. They also spoke very highly of our pitching staff and bullpen.

    • Eddie Von White

      Fish don’t trot but baby bears do…around the bases – as in Nate Schierholtz just went upper deck.

  • Doc Raker

    “Do fish trot?” After Jim DeSahaie’s introduced the Marlin’s starting pitcher, Nathan Eovaldi, “The Marlins trot out hard throwing Nathan Eovaldi today. The Marlins have the hardest throwing pitching staff we have seen with Eovaldi throwing in the mid 90’s.” Kaspers response is “Do fish trot?” No scouting report on Eovaldi, no comments on how he has been throwing of late, no comment on his arsenal of pitches, just “Do fish trot?”

    Later DeShaie’s noted Eovaldi changing arm slots to get ‘run’ on his various pitches in which Len relied, “It so and so 85th birthday today.”

    Is Len incapable of having a conversation with DeShaie’s regarding the game of baseball.

    Don’t we deserve better? Please sign my petition, “Fire Len Kasper”.

    • Dork

      Len is probably tired of watching this team. Its sounds like he is bored and entertaining himself.

      • Doc Raker

        How about entertaining himself with some insightful baseball talk?

      • Jerry in Wisconsin

        Len is like the guy who tells a joke, and he is the only one to laugh at the punch line. We all just need to move along and ignore the guy who is laughing at himself.

      • AC0000000

        I had a dream last night that Len was rampaging on pancakes and waffles, said absolutely nothing for 10 pitches, and excitedly called several Cubs outs that were close plays that the Cubs made outs on. As in the Cubs hit into these outs.

      • Eddie Von White

        That type of broadcasting is the equivalent of batch cooking. Yes, I am joining in on the batch cooking bashing fest.

      • Doc Raker

        Hard to ignore the guy droning on and on while you watch the game. I usually watch the opposing teams broadcast or tune Pat and Coomer in while watching the TV. With the opposing teams broadcast you get unfiltered truth about the Cubs. They have no bias or corporate interest in whitewashing everything so they really speak honestly about the Cubs. The Marlin broadcasters called Rizzo an emerging power hitter in the league. When Darwin Barney came up they said the outfield should come in 60 feet. They also spoke very highly of our pitching staff and bullpen.

  • Dork

    Cubs, promote Bryant. Now we will see what he has. I would love to see an Iowa game if or when Soler gets there.

    • Seymour Butts

      For the second straight year I miss the Cubs 1st round selection as he’s called up before Boise gets to my town in a couple weeks. Schwarber was crushing the Northwest league and was called up to the next step after 5 games (4HR). I also missed Bryant by a week last year.N

      • Doc Raker

        Their dinning loss obviously.

      • PLCB3

        Who wants to eat ranch dressing on yoga mat bread?

      • Seymour Butts

        Insurance salesmen.

      • PLCB3

        What about cardiologists who like seeing big butts because it keeps them in business?

      • Seymour Butts

        Big butts may be job security, but for your viewing pleasure I recommend the smaller ones.

      • PLCB3

        Well that’s obvious.

      • Sir Mix-A-Lot

        Going to have to disagree with you on this one.

      • Doc Raker

        Their dinning loss obviously.

      • AC0000000

        Who wants to eat ranch dressing on yoga mat bread?

      • Seymour Butts

        Insurance salesmen.

      • AC0000000

        What about cardiologists who like seeing big butts because it keeps them in business?

      • Seymour Butts

        Big butts may be job security, but for your viewing pleasure I recommend the smaller ones.

      • AC0000000

        Well that’s obvious.

      • Sir Mix-A-Lot

        Going to have to disagree with you on this one.

  • Dork

    Cubs, promote Bryant. Now we will see what he has. I would love to see an Iowa game if or when Soler gets there.

  • Dork

    Giving up pitching prospects should have the same reduced value as aquiring pitching if you are worried about the overall increase in injuries, and not specific situations. Really it is all a crap shoot, with 30 teams all compeating for the same prize. Luck is a bigger part of this than we want to believe. If you extend him you pray he stays healthy, if you trade him you pray the return stays healthy.

  • Dork

    Giving up pitching prospects should have the same reduced value as aquiring pitching if you are worried about the overall increase in injuries, and not specific situations. Really it is all a crap shoot, with 30 teams all compeating for the same prize. Luck is a bigger part of this than we want to believe. If you extend him you pray he stays healthy, if you trade him you pray the return stays healthy.

  • Doc Raker

    Cubs win another series! They are 17-13 over their last 30. Contrary to what Capn Obvious says the Cubs are on the right track.

  • Buddy

    Still doesn’t sound like the two sides are anywhere close. Look for the Shark to be dealt this summer. Hammel as well.

  • Buddy

    Still doesn’t sound like the two sides are anywhere close. Look for the Shark to be dealt this summer. Hammel as well.