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  • Bloomberg put together an awesome interactive article related to the value of major league baseball franchises. The Cubs are in fifth place in overall value behind, in order, the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, and Mets, and ahead of the Giants (the Orioles are listed as the seventh most valuable franchise – I would have NEVER guessed that). This is a great piece that lets you explore how teams compare to each other on a variety of metrics, including all sources of incoming and outgoing revenue. The area in which the Cubs fall short in relation to other incoming revenue areas is in “sponsorship” – which may make it easier to understand why the Cubs are busy trying to maximize the value of signage and other ad potential at Wrigley Field.
  • Cubs farmhand (acquired in the Matt Garza trade) C.J. Edwards was named MiLB.com’s Pitcher of the Year (that’s considering all pitchers at all levels in the minors – pretty awesome). If you don’t know much about Edwards, you’ll probably find yourself rooting hard for the kid after reading this profile on him.
  • Someone is suing the City of Chicago and Cubs-affiliated entities over the proposed hotel-on-Wrigley-property construction.
  • The Cardinals lost Game 1 of the World Series, and of course they’re complaining that Red Sox starting pitcher Jon Lester cheated. You can judge the evidence in question for yourself over at Hardball Talk.
  • PLCB3

    The lawsuit is from 13 years ago

    • Noah_I

      The lawsuit was filed 10/22/13. You’re looking at the date the trust that is the plaintiff was initiated. Easiest way to tell what year the case was filed, look over at the case number near the top of page 1 on the right hand side. The first four numbers are the year the case was filed.

      • PLCB3

        What does that mean plantiff was initiated?

      • Jerry in Wisconsin

        It was the trust that was iniated, not the plantiff.

      • Noah_I

        Right. The trust is the plaintiff in this case.

    • The OJ trial was 16 years ago.

      • PLCB3

        Leaving the diaper changing to your wife is a good way to ensure you don’t stay married

      • Eddie Von White

        I didn’t know you were a marriage counselor.

      • …says the guy who chose TV shouting over companionship.

      • PLCB3

        All my uncles are married and have kids, I learned from them

      • The kids, presumably. D’oh.

      • The kids, presumably. D’oh.

  • AC0000000

    The lawsuit is from 13 years ago

    • Noah_I

      The lawsuit was filed 10/22/13. You’re looking at the date the trust that is the plaintiff was initiated. Easiest way to tell what year the case was filed, look over at the case number near the top of page 1 on the right hand side. The first four numbers are the year the case was filed.

      • AC0000000

        What does that mean plantiff was initiated?

    • The OJ trial was 16 years ago.

      • AC0000000

        Leaving the diaper changing to your wife is a good way to ensure you don’t stay married

      • Eddie Von White

        I didn’t know you were a marriage counselor.

  • Doug S.

    The Bloomberg article is very interesting and fun to play with. Some surprises in the overall rankings and categories. Poor Tampa. They field such an entertaining team, but play in a dump. Maybe a nice new stadium actually located in Tampa would help.


    Had not heard of this kid, but just became a fan and will follow his progress.

    As a non resident of Chicago, always thought a good hotel nearby made sense, especially for night games.

    Too bad (not really) UCLA – Oregon is on the same time as WS game 3. Guess the beards will have to play without me.

    • PLCB3

      Are you for the Bruins or the Quack Attack? Ohio State-Penn State is on at the same time as game 3 and the Ohio State bar that I go to here in Boston will not have the audio for the OSU game unless the World Series game is a blowout or if our game is close in the 4th. I’m sending a prayer to the weather gods for a rainout so i can get my audio. If that doesn’t work, then I will be sending a prayer to the baseball gods that the game is a blowout.

      • Doug S.

        I’m a UW Huskies and PAC-12 conference fan. The Ducks are fun to watch. Love the lack of respect the conference gets, especially in the SE.

      • PLCB3

        They hate everyone else down in SEC country. They hate the B10 too. I’m pulling for UCLA to knock off the Ducks because we need Oregon to lose to get into the BCS title game. The Quack Attack can be slowed. Ohio State showed how in the 2010 Rose Bowl. Slow, methodical grind it out offense, and get a lot of pressure on the quarterback on defense. Having their runnin back fumble in the red zone and kick the ball out of the end zone helps too

      • Eddie Von White

        I didn’t know you were so religious.

      • Doc Raker

        What’s up with the law suit? Is there an endangered rat that the hotel will displace or is this a carbon footprint issue? Are the Cubs maxed out on their carbon output for the block? We need to be sensitive to the displaced vermin and understand how our carbon output has nothing to do with our climate…..er……..impacts our climate is what I meant.

      • AnActualScientist

        You should save some of these quips for the Fox News comment section. This isn’t really the place for it. Does the “Doc” in your name refer to a doctorate in environmental science? According to the posting guidelines listed on this site, politics should be left out of posts unless its relevant to the discussion – and climate change has nothing to do with this lawsuit. Please check out the Shawn Hannity blog if you want to make these kind of unrelated statements. I think those of us who come here to read about and discuss baseball (and take a break from all the political back-and-forth) would appreciate it.

      • Doc Raker

        If the VFTB baseball blog doesn’t want political discussions occuring it might behove them to not post political issues on their post. The law suit regarding the Cubs subject property v Romano property is a property rights issue that revolves around the Chicago City Counsel zoning laws. When politicians decide what can and can not be done with property belonging to private citizens it is a political issue on its face. How can you not talk politics if you talk about a law suit revolving around zoning laws written by politicians?
        My original post was tongue and cheek about other absurdities the political ruling class shoves down our throats in regards to property rights and other issues. Whether you choose to pay attention to the public policy we are all made to live by in our daily lives by a politicians whimsy VFTB baseball blog apparently thinks it is worth discussion when it involves our beloved sports team. Of course some of us are exempt from certain public policy laws, see Obamacare and Obama’s union and corprate chronies along with all elected officials in DC that are exempt from one of the worst laws in American history, but the Thomas Ramono Trust and Wrigley Field’s subject properties are not exempt from the City Counsel of Chicago’s zoning laws regardless of how onerous, punitive or draconian said zoning laws may be.
        I apologize for the inaccuracy of attributing the law suit to carbon output or an endagered animal species but make no mistake this law suit is about politics.

      • Eddie Von White

        So you agree, climate change is a political issue.

      • Doc Raker

        Bada Bing! Standing ovation to you.

      • cap’n obvious

        Perhaps this is a job for the law firm of Babip, Pecota, Vorp, and Eckstein!

        http://deadspin.com/david-eckstein-stars-in-commercial-for-fake-parks-rec-1452186063?autoplay=1

      • Eddie Von White

        My first ever.

      • Eddie Von White

        …by the home team.

      • Doc Raker

        Well deserved. I never understood how the same people that are so cynical of the military industrial complex are so fooled by the green political complex.

      • Eddie Von White

        So you agree, climate change is a political issue.

      • PLCB3

        What Tunney and his butt buddies are saying in regards to these renovations is that everyone can make money on the Cubs except the Cubs, who to begin with drive everyone’s money.

        Where else have I seen this economic model? Oh yes, our lovely president, Barry Hussien Obama with his healthcare law. Tighten regulations and all, fine, but destroying the doctors, the drivers of health care, will destroy health care more than anything. He did his part helping turn Chicago into the next Detroit, so now he has goals of turning America into Motown.

        Clearly, the Chicago Democrats have failed economics 101. The Cubs are a positive externality to the bars and rooftops. By trying to make more money off their own team, the Cubs are trying to correct this positive externality. How dare the Cubs try to correct a positive externality!

      • Doc Raker

        All Democrats failed econ 101. Economic laws don’t apply when it comes to social engineering.

      • PLCB3

        But he Chicago Democrats take it to another level

      • PLCB3

        They have no use for economic laws the way I have no use for math and science

      • PLCB3

        “In theory, communism works. In theory.” – Homer Jay Simpson

  • Doug S.

    The Bloomberg article is very interesting and fun to play with. Some surprises in the overall rankings and categories. Poor Tampa. They field such an entertaining team, but play in a dump. Maybe a nice new stadium actually located in Tampa would help.


    Had not heard of this kid, but just became a fan and will follow his progress.

    As a non resident of Chicago, always thought a good hotel nearby made sense, especially for night games.

    Too bad (not really) UCLA – Oregon is on the same time as WS game 3. Guess the beards will have to play without me.

    • AC0000000

      Are you for the Bruins or the Quack Attack? Ohio State-Penn State is on at the same time as game 3 and the Ohio State bar that I go to here in Boston will not have the audio for the OSU game unless the World Series game is a blowout or if our game is close in the 4th. I’m sending a prayer to the weather gods for a rainout so i can get my audio. If that doesn’t work, then I will be sending a prayer to the baseball gods that the game is a blowout.

      • Doug S.

        I’m a UW Huskies and PAC-12 conference fan. The Ducks are fun to watch. Love the lack of respect the conference gets, especially in the SE.

      • AC0000000

        They hate everyone else down in SEC country. They hate the B10 too. I’m pulling for UCLA to knock off the Ducks because we need Oregon to lose to get into the BCS title game. The Quack Attack can be slowed. Ohio State showed how in the 2010 Rose Bowl. Slow, methodical grind it out offense, and get a lot of pressure on the quarterback on defense. Having their runnin back fumble in the red zone and kick the ball out of the end zone helps too

      • Eddie Von White

        I didn’t know you were so religious.

  • Doc Raker

    What’s up with the law suit? Is there an endangered rat that the hotel will displace or is this a carbon footprint issue? Are the Cubs maxed out on their carbon output for the block? We need to be sensitive to the displaced vermin and understand how our carbon output has nothing to do with our climate…..er……..impacts our climate is what I meant.

    • AC0000000

      What Tunney and his butt buddies are saying in regards to these renovations is that everyone can make money on the Cubs except the Cubs, who to begin with drive everyone’s money.

      Where else have I seen this economic model? Oh yes, our lovely president, Barry Hussien Obama with his healthcare law. Tighten regulations and all, fine, but destroying the doctors, the drivers of health care, will destroy health care more than anything. He did his part helping turn Chicago into the next Detroit, so now he has goals of turning America into Motown.

      Clearly, the Chicago Democrats have failed economics 101. The Cubs are a positive externality to the bars and rooftops. By trying to make more money off their own team, the Cubs are trying to correct this positive externality. How dare the Cubs try to correct a positive externality!

      • Doc Raker

        All Democrats failed econ 101. Economic laws don’t apply when it comes to social engineering.

  • PLCB3

    What Ricketts ought to do is start drafting termination notices to the rooftops. That once the deal expires in 2023, that’s it. Their views are being blocked. No ifs ands or butts about it. Even if the rooftop owners capitulate on their threat of a lawsuit, I’d still cut them out in 10 years. Pull a fast one on them. Get that agreement in writing, legal documents, and then tell them to get bent. I don’t understand how everyone can be so stupid. The Cubs are the driver behind everyone’s money. The Cubs can stay and you can make a little less than what you’re making right now, or the Cubs can leave, and you don’t make anything. After that’s all done, Ricketts should see if he can get naming rights revenues. By saying he’ll put them up, and then everyone has a conniption fit, see if Wrigley Chewing Gum will step in to save the name from being changed.

  • PLCB3

    The people who live in Wrigleyville and near Wrigley know damn well what they’re getting themselves into when they moved into the area. Either don’t live there, don’t have a car there if you don’t like the congestion. As much as I love Chicago, I would never live in the city due to all the hassles that come with it.

  • Sean Powell

    RE: The lawsuit: Brett over at Bleacher Nation has a nice write-up on it (http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/10/24/obsessive-wrigley-renovation-watch-mayor-says-cubs-and-rooftops-are-talking-plus-the-first-lawsuit/). His take, as a former lawyer, is that it’s a last-ditch effort by a local business entity that feels it will be harmed in some way in the future by the hotel. In the end, it seems like a good ol’ money grab. While government regulations are the vehicle that is being used in this lawsuit, it appears that the motivation, in the end, is capitalistic.

    • PLCB3

      Bad link. Doesn’t load

    • Doc Raker

      It is a property rights issue which all zoning issues are. If by capitalistic you mean money then I congratulate you on figuring out what every lawsuit is all about, money. The fact is the trial lawyers union is the Democratic party’s largest donors. The more government regulations there are the more lawsuits there are and the more money trial lawyers make. So instead of the Wrigley properties being allowed to do as they please with their own property politicians and third party private citizens will try to enrich themselves along with the lawyers that represent them all due to regulations made by politicians. It is called Chrony Capitalism when government picks and chooses winners and losers in the market place which both Democrats and Republicans take part in. What is the only party opposed to Chrony Capitalism? The Libertarian Party which is now the Tea Party wing of the Republican party.

      • PLCB3

        The Tea Party is nothing but a bunch of Obama haters. Their main point of unity is Obama sucks and anything he does must be opposed. Even if it is beneficial and something championed when the GOP was in power.

      • Doc Raker

        Not really. The Tea Party formed in objection to George W Bush’s over spending and Constitutional over reach. It was the Libertarian wing of the Republican party being fed up with the Chrony Capitalism and over spending of the Republican party. W held the White House and the Republicans held congress and they failed to reduce wasteful spending. Of course the Tea Party opposes Obama because Obama has spent 3x the amount W spent and if you object to what W was spending you have to object what Obama is spending. Obamacare is also a massive spending program draped around the necks of Americans for generations to come that the Tea Party obviously opposes. Hating Obama has nothing to do with it, hating what he is doing to America is everything to do about it.

        The establishment Republicans and democrats bash the Tea Party collectively, why? Because the Tea Party wants what is best for the American people, not special interests and both party’s cater to special interests before the people.

      • PLCB3

        We have people in this country who think that the Tea Party is too liberal

      • Doc Raker

        We either reduce our spending and entitlement programs or we go bankrupt as a nation. No other realities, it is just a matter of when.

      • PLCB3

        I don’t disagree with you. It’s just that the Tea Party is having a conniption fit over Barry’s spending, but they didn’t say a peep about Dubya. When Jimmy Carter left office, the debt was less than 1 trillion. When Bush Jr. left 28 years later, 20 of which the GOP was president, the debt was 11 trillion

      • You forgot to call Carter “Mr. Peanut” or something similarly retarded.

      • PLCB3

        No I didn’t. He’s a man of simple living. Only president to ever live in subsidized housing.

      • AC0000000

        No I didn’t. He’s a man of simple living. Only president to ever live in subsidized housing.

      • Doc Raker

        The Tea Party was formed in response to Dubya’s over spending, how can you say ‘it didn’t say a peep’? I think you are buying into the liberal spin of the Tea Party. This is why I dislike names, everyone’s perception of what the Tea Party is is different depending on who’s spin you believe. Suffice to say if you are concerned about the country’s fiscal irresponsibility the Tea Party is representing your concerns. Sine the democrats garnish votes from people who are government dependent democrats have the least motivation to reduce the country’s over spending.

      • Doc Raker

        We either reduce our spending and entitlement programs or we go bankrupt as a nation. No other realities, it is just a matter of when.

  • Seymour Butts

    I see I missed a lot.

    • Doc Raker

      Nothing you are open minded about so move along……….nothing to see here. Don’t you have some Greenpeace pamphlets to pass out at the Piggly Wiggly?

    • Doc Raker

      Nothing you are open minded about so move along……….nothing to see here. Don’t you have some Greenpeace pamphlets to pass out at the Piggly Wiggly?