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Game80: Bullpen and Coaching Trying for Top 5 Pick

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Player of the Game- Kevin Gregg (.148 WPA)


The Cubs put up some runs today as a team.  The game was played well and a fairly well pitched game from Edwin Jackson. Except for a home run he gave up to Raul Ibanez, Jackson pitched an efficient and strong game today.  Now that is where the Head Coach Dale Sveum and Shawn Camp took things over.

Sveum wanted to stay away from James Russel and Blake Parker today as was addressed half way through the game.  The big deal is that he turned to one of the worst relievers in our pen, save Carlos Marmol who we unceremoniously bounced like a bad check last week.  Here came Camp who pitched a rather efficient seventh inning.  Yet, you know something bad was going to happen and Sveum still let him stay in.

I’m no manager and I know the decisions come fast and hard in the heat of a game.  Yet, when sitting on my couch I get the quezy in my stomach at the beginning of the eighth, you know the million dollar manager should have too.

Its hard watching games like that, even though this one had a good outcome. Why is it a constant battle with this team?  The days that we hit good are the days the bullpen implodes.  It seems that there is a lot of games where things should have worked out and they didn’t.

The Cubs have had 50 quality starts this season.  They are 35-45.  They have missed out on cashing in on 15 QS starts from the starters.  Chance it enough they have blown 16 saves.  Where could this team be if a couple more strong arms were signed for the bullpen?

Oh to muse.

 

  • Bones

    At least a record of 43-37. They and the Pirates would be the talk of the league.

    • Jedi

      I don’t think so – at 43-37 they’d still be a 4th place team; they’d still be sellers at the break; and these ‘coulda been’ off-season additions to the ‘pen would likely be on their way to another team. You’d still be watching largely the same group of guys after July 31 – and the only difference would be a couple of prospects in the system (at best).

      The other difference is how overt the front office can be since the record is NOT 43-37; the philosophy would be the same regardless, but the bad PR from selling the short-term parts of a .500+ team would mean they’d have to be less obvious about their attempts to trade. So there is a sense in which being more than 10 GB, the Cubs are afforded the luxury of not being second-guessed for selling whatever they have of value.

      Not too many people would be happy about trading Garza with the team 6 games above .500.

      • Holden Clark

        I disagree with you in the sense that winning breeds winning. A team that sits at 43-37 is going to have guys that are loose and having fun and playing above their heads. Again, we aren’t a super team and I understand the desire for a sell off, but what if instead we were adding? We have the talent in the minors to not even touch the top tier to add pieces for the future. Then again reasonable minds can disagree

      • Jedi

        You think we’d be buyers at 43-37? I just don’t see it. There is clearly a long-term goal; which has set the Cubs on a path from which Theo & Jed really haven’t deviated.

        Look at Pittsburgh, they’re sitting atop the division with the league’s best record and the question is ‘will they make the playoffs?’ – I mean if the Cubs were still in 4th place at 43-37 rational thought would say ‘great, they’re overachieving, but it’s not the year to go all in’…and so if you can get something for your spare parts, I say the Cubs would still be trying to do that – though it would be wildly unpopular with some fans.

      • PLCB3

        It wouldn’t be a White Flag trade though like the trash did in 1997 when they were only 3 games out.

      • Chuck

        The Cubs management has a plan. Granted it is a painful plan, but it would be far worse to half-ass it at this point. The plan is to build a sustainable flow of young talent through the farm system and augment that with strategic FA signings and trades of oppourtunity. This is a good plan that will take a long time to implement. Stick with it.

        I would be looking to trade both Garza and Shark (only 1 year younger than Garza amazingly enough) for younger talent because they will not be part of the long term solution.

  • Bones

    At least a record of 43-37. They and the Pirates would be the talk of the league.

    • Jedi

      I don’t think so – at 43-37 they’d still be a 4th place team; they’d still be sellers at the break; and these ‘coulda been’ off-season additions to the ‘pen would likely be on their way to another team. You’d still be watching largely the same group of guys after July 31 – and the only difference would be a couple of prospects in the system (at best).

      The other difference is how overt the front office can be since the record is NOT 43-37; the philosophy would be the same regardless, but the bad PR from selling the short-term parts of a .500+ team would mean they’d have to be less obvious about their attempts to trade. So there is a sense in which being more than 10 GB, the Cubs are afforded the luxury of not being second-guessed for selling whatever they have of value.

      Not too many people would be happy about trading Garza with the team 6 games above .500.

      • Holden Clark

        I disagree with you in the sense that winning breeds winning. A team that sits at 43-37 is going to have guys that are loose and having fun and playing above their heads. Again, we aren’t a super team and I understand the desire for a sell off, but what if instead we were adding? We have the talent in the minors to not even touch the top tier to add pieces for the future. Then again reasonable minds can disagree

      • Jedi

        You think we’d be buyers at 43-37? I just don’t see it. There is clearly a long-term goal; which has set the Cubs on a path from which Theo & Jed really haven’t deviated.

        Look at Pittsburgh, they’re sitting atop the division with the league’s best record and the question is ‘will they make the playoffs?’ – I mean if the Cubs were still in 4th place at 43-37 rational thought would say ‘great, they’re overachieving, but it’s not the year to go all in’…and so if you can get something for your spare parts, I say the Cubs would still be trying to do that – though it would be wildly unpopular with some fans.

      • AC0000000

        It wouldn’t be a White Flag trade though like the trash did in 1997 when they were only 3 games out.

      • Chuck

        The Cubs management has a plan. Granted it is a painful plan, but it would be far worse to half-ass it at this point. The plan is to build a sustainable flow of young talent through the farm system and augment that with strategic FA signings and trades of oppourtunity. This is a good plan that will take a long time to implement. Stick with it.

        I would be looking to trade both Garza and Shark (only 1 year younger than Garza amazingly enough) for younger talent because they will not be part of the long term solution.

  • Doc Raker

    Pittsburgh is in first place, I think that is cool. St. Louis is not in first place, I think that is cool. I am rooting for Pittsburgh to continue winning, I always root for St. Louis to lose. I think that is cool.

    • PLCB3

      Weren’t the Pirates in first place 2 years ago at this time and then they blew it?

      • LVCubFan

        The last two years have been the same story for the Buccos. Unfortunately, look for St. Louis’ experience to jump ahead in the 2nd half. Lots more baseball to play.

      • PLCB3

        I hope the Pirates can hang on and stay competitive in the 2nd half, but you are probably right. We Cubs fans must always be subject to torture, which includes seeing the White Sox and Cardinals winning. 2005 and 2006 were by far the 2 worst years of being a Cubs fan, and the only thing that could have made those seasons worse than they were are White Sox-Cardinals World Series,

      • Doc Raker

        The Pirates young team has been on the verge of breaking into serious contention the past two years, hopefully they can do it this year. I think that would be cool.

    • Eddie Von White

      I think its cool that you think all that is cool because it is cool.

      • Doc Raker

        That’s cool that you too think it’s cool. I think it would be cool if everyone was cool, “Can’t we all just be cool.” Rodney King 1992.

  • Doc Raker

    Pittsburgh is in first place, I think that is cool. St. Louis is not in first place, I think that is cool. I am rooting for Pittsburgh to continue winning, I always root for St. Louis to lose. I think that is cool.

    • AC0000000

      Weren’t the Pirates in first place 2 years ago at this time and then they blew it?

      • LVCubFan

        The last two years have been the same story for the Buccos. Unfortunately, look for St. Louis’ experience to jump ahead in the 2nd half. Lots more baseball to play.

      • AC0000000

        I hope the Pirates can hang on and stay competitive in the 2nd half, but you are probably right. We Cubs fans must always be subject to torture, which includes seeing the White Sox and Cardinals winning. 2005 and 2006 were by far the 2 worst years of being a Cubs fan, and the only thing that could have made those seasons worse than they were are White Sox-Cardinals World Series,

      • Doc Raker

        The Pirates young team has been on the verge of breaking into serious contention the past two years, hopefully they can do it this year. I think that would be cool.

    • Eddie Von White

      I think its cool that you think all that is cool because it is cool.

      • Doc Raker

        That’s cool that you too think it’s cool. I think it would be cool if everyone was cool, “Can’t we all just be cool.” Rodney King 1992.

  • LVCubFan

    “If you’re just tuning into Cubs games and see that Castro is hitting in the .230s, you might say ‘hey, he’s having a bad year.’ And, in that sense, you’d be right.” -Len. I like Len, but I wanted to quickly thank him that brilliant insight.

  • LVCubFan

    “If you’re just tuning into Cubs games and see that Castro is hitting in the .230s, you might say ‘hey, he’s having a bad year.’ And, in that sense, you’d be right.” -Len. I like Len, but I wanted to quickly thank him that brilliant insight.

  • Seymour Butts

    It was pleasant looking down into the bullpen and wondering who was warming up without the fear it was Marmol. But it did not seem to matter as who ever emerged from the bullpen sucked eggs.
    I highly recommend sitting directly behind the catcher now and then. The perspective is much different than anywhere else including TV. It is much more impressive to see how hard these guys hit the ball from this angle.
    Not to mention those seats came with a restaurant that would meet Raker’s standards. Turns that my face was covered by the “C” logo on the score line for most of the time. Please insert comments from Raker about that.

    • I snapped this and sent it to Butts:
      https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LynhzAMfzZY/UdHcXH58nmI/AAAAAAAAC8M/9lwdsFjM3x0/w965-h724-no/13+-+1

      Next time you score high profile seats, I expect to see a cold cut combo in the frame.

      • Jedi

        Couldn’t afford the front row?

      • Seymour Butts

        The magic of Stubhub. Front row was not available when I looked. I bought them 1 week ago and the seller was motivated by that time. $470 face value tickets for $200.
        And close inspection will reveal a nice juicy hamburger being consumed. Pregame breakfast included shrimp and crab legs.

      • PLCB3

        STUBHUB! I love StubHub. All the Bruins playoff games I went to, I got tickets below face value there.

      • Doug S.

        Sweet seats Seymour. Diamond club at Safeco, nice gig. Closest I’ve been is row 10 just behind the DC. And to get them on stub-hub? At a deal? Wow. Mostly I’ve had to pay 2+ face there. Well done!!!

      • Doc Raker

        You mean krab legs and schrimp with ranch dressing, not the real fresh seafood kind, they don’t serve that at the Safeco Subway.

    • Doc Raker

      You are like Norm’s wife, never to be seen, or like Rhoda’s doorman or Tool time’s neighbor, good thing the broadcast team knows you have a face for radio.

      • Carlton

        I knew you wouldn’t let me down.

  • Seymour Butts

    It was pleasant looking down into the bullpen and wondering who was warming up without the fear it was Marmol. But it did not seem to matter as who ever emerged from the bullpen sucked eggs.
    I highly recommend sitting directly behind the catcher now and then. The perspective is much different than anywhere else including TV. It is much more impressive to see how hard these guys hit the ball from this angle.
    Not to mention those seats came with a restaurant that would meet Raker’s standards. Turns that my face was covered by the “C” logo on the score line for most of the time. Please insert comments from Raker about that.

    • I snapped this and sent it to Butts:
      https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LynhzAMfzZY/UdHcXH58nmI/AAAAAAAAC8M/9lwdsFjM3x0/w965-h724-no/13+-+1

      Next time you score high profile seats, I expect to see a cold cut combo in the frame.

      • Jedi

        Couldn’t afford the front row?

      • Seymour Butts

        The magic of Stubhub. Front row was not available when I looked. I bought them 1 week ago and the seller was motivated by that time. $470 face value tickets for $200.
        And close inspection will reveal a nice juicy hamburger being consumed. Pregame breakfast included shrimp and crab legs.

      • AC0000000

        STUBHUB! I love StubHub. All the Bruins playoff games I went to, I got tickets below face value there.

      • Doug S.

        Sweet seats Seymour. Diamond club at Safeco, nice gig. Closest I’ve been is row 10 just behind the DC. And to get them on stub-hub? At a deal? Wow. Mostly I’ve had to pay 2+ face there. Well done!!!

      • Doc Raker

        You mean krab legs and schrimp with ranch dressing, not the real fresh seafood kind, they don’t serve that at the Safeco Subway.

    • Doc Raker

      You are like Norm’s wife, never to be seen, or like Rhoda’s doorman or Tool time’s neighbor, good thing the broadcast team knows you have a face for radio.

      • Carlton

        I knew you wouldn’t let me down.

  • Buddy

    So Marmol is about to become a Dodger? That should solve their problems!

    • I’m on the edge of my seat here. Will we get a bucket of balls in return? Two buckets of balls? Exciting times, my friends.

      • PLCB3

        I’d prefer a few sacks of cement, so when Tunney finally stops stalling the renovation negotiations because he’s a White Sox fan, we can actually use it to fix up Wrigley.

  • Buddy

    So Marmol is about to become a Dodger? That should solve their problems!

    • I’m on the edge of my seat here. Will we get a bucket of balls in return? Two buckets of balls? Exciting times, my friends.

      • AC0000000

        I’d prefer a few sacks of cement, so when Tunney finally stops stalling the renovation negotiations because he’s a White Sox fan, we can actually use it to fix up Wrigley.

  • Doug S.

    Back home. M’s fans were booing the “Let’s go Cubbies” (clap-clap, etc) chant. Was hoping Sunday would be a laugher for the good guys and it started out that way. Lots of fun. Then the doubt and drama, again. I’m drained after those 3 games!! No kidding. Dear Cubs……give us a laugher (in a good way) sometime soon, OK?

    • You mustn’t have heard about the potential Marmol trade.

      Jealous of you and Seymour.. hope you had a good time!

    • Seymour Butts

      I started booing the Mariner throws to first. It seemed fitting.

  • Doug S.

    Back home. M’s fans were booing the “Let’s go Cubbies” (clap-clap, etc) chant. Was hoping Sunday would be a laugher for the good guys and it started out that way. Lots of fun. Then the doubt and drama, again. I’m drained after those 3 games!! No kidding. Dear Cubs……give us a laugher (in a good way) sometime soon, OK?

    • You mustn’t have heard about the potential Marmol trade.

      Jealous of you and Seymour.. hope you had a good time!

    • Seymour Butts

      I started booing the Mariner throws to first. It seemed fitting.