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November 5, 2012

Morning News: Cubs, Bears, Tragedy…Unrelated

Filed under: Featured,General — Jedi Johnson @ 1:20 am

Marmol For Haren Scuttled
Late last week it broke that the Cubs were involved in a deal to acquire Dan Haren from the Angels and in return send Carlos Marmol out West. The deal didn’t materialize, but two good things came from it 1) 29 other teams know the relative cost of Marmol (don’t underestimate the importance of that – especially after the Dempster trade experience), and 2) Dan Haren has been marked by the Cubs. After the deal fell through, Haren’s option wasn’t picked up making him a free agent; so perhaps now the Cubs can snag him for nothing.

Bears Trounce Tennessee
What an ugly game, the Titans found themselves trailing after a single quarter by the unusual score of 28-2. The final was a much uglier 51-20 total. If Brandon Marshall is part of your fantasy team, you probably won your matchup. A Minnesota loss and a Green Bay win has the Packers just 1.5 GB in second place. Plus with a win in the first matchup, Green Bay will find themselves in control of their own destiny if they crawl to within just 1 GB. It’s a tenuous division lead for the team that sports the best point differential in the NFL.

Zoo Danger
Don’t dangle your kid over the railing…ever.

Hurricane Aftermath
Is it just me, or has the Hurricane Sandy aftermath been eerily similar to Hurricane Katrina. If a levee were to break, it’d be deja vu.

Tomorrow
I think something is happening tomorrow, but I forget what…then again, I’m posting this from 30,000 feet, so maybe it’s just the altitude.

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  • Adrian

    Haren’s option was for $15.5 million. A 2 year/$20 million offer seems fair.

    Looks expensive but pitching is NEVER cheap on the open market.

    We’ve apparently had contact with Scott Baker and Brandon McCarthy. I really like the idea of bringing Baker in. Innings eater with a really good strikeout to walk ratio. Solid ERA too.

  • Cap’n obvious

    Why pay for mid/top flight pitching when you are still 4-5 years away from contending? Spend the dough on scouting and development.

  • BLPCB

    Since when are people allowed to use mobile phones on flights? This is a 100% serious question

  • Adrian

    I don’t think we’re 4-5 years away. ’14 and ’15 are the seasons when we should at least be in playoff conversations. We need some starting pitching regardless. I wouldn’t exactly call Haren top flight either. The 5 starters we had at the end of the season were Wood, Berken, Rusin, Germano, and Volstad. Thats terrible. We need depth badly. If we were to trot out similar pitching like that over the course of an entire season we’d be threatening the 120 loss record for a season.

    As of now we have Garza who could be flipped at any time during the season, Samardzija who pitched well last season but I don’t feel comfortable calling him a top of the rotation guy and Wood who quietly had a good season for a back of the rotation starter. We need at least two solid starters to bring in and shore up the rotation. I cringe at thinking who would fill out the rotation if we didn’t get anyone in FA.

    I don’t buy into the theory that some Cubs fans have to not spend on anything. To just wait out the farm system and collect draft picks. You don’t want to build a losing mentality with this group of guys. Plus Sveum has two years left on his contract, you have to give the man some talent to work with, it’s unfair to him.

    I think a realistic goal for next season is 75 wins.

  • Adrian

    iPad?

  • Lizzie

    In-flight wifi has been around for awhile, CAPS.

  • Buddy

     If he’ll sign for 2 years, $20 million, I’m in. However, I think he’ll get better offers.

  • BLPCB

    The iPad can work on 3G/4G just like a phone

  • BLPCB

    Really? I never heard anything about this in the papers. Last I heard in the papers was several months ago they were testing mobile devices on flights. I remember flying to India 10 years ago and they were like cell phone frequencies interfere with the signals for equipment in the cockpit.

  • Jedi

    The people in line at Disney have been talking about inflight internet for years.

  • BLPCB

    Not when I was there

  • LVCubFan

    What I read is that Theo pulled this deal off the table.  Is it too early in Theo’s Cub career to question that move?? Keep in mind, Marmol is a terrible closer.  Let’s not forget he blew the only games while this team was actually “in contention” – which means the first two weeks of the year last year.  Declining a trade for a guy who would kill in the NL is dumbfounding to me.

  • http://swantron.com/ jswanson

    Bonus points awarded for successful WP admin usage on mobile device, and for extreme blogging in general.

  • Doug S.

    Getting anything for Marmol would be like picking somebody’s pocket.

  • Jedi

    Too early in the offseason, in my opinion, to question the move.  There are a host of scenarios that could play out and make us look back on this as a really smart move or a really dumb move.  The deadline for his option could mean that the Cubs didn’t have a ton of time to properly assess the situation and didn’t want to be railroaded into a bad deal…I know we all think Marmol is valueless, but he’s not.  Marmol has a LOT more value than a guy like Heath Bell at this point – and the Marlins moved him (albeit not for a lot).

  • Doc Raker

    Any relation to Jeff Baker?

  • Doc Raker

    The Bears offense worries me, their defense is obviously carrying the team. The next few weeks will be a tough schedule and will determine their season.

  • Doc Raker

    Tomorrow?????? You think our health care system has problems now, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

  • Chuck

    Getting a mediocre starting pitcher for a guy who pitches poorly for 50 or so innings is an absolute steal.  Highway robbery.  Unless Haren is hurt (a possibility considering his dropoff from previous years)I see no reason not to do this deal unless the financial commitment precludes a bigger and better deal.

    Also, those of you who think the Cubs will be contenders in 2014 are delusional.  

  • BLPCB

    Exactly how I feel

  • http://swantron.com/ jswanson

    Distant cousin from a small Mediterranean island.  They shared an apartment.    

  • BLPCB

    They’re going to lose to the Texans on Sunday Night Football, and I can’t wait to see the thrashing. God I love the NFL so much.

    If the NFL was Chicago deep-dish pizza, I would be morbidly obese and dead from a massive heart attack by age 30. I’ve decided that since all the cardio machines where I workout at have TV’s hooked up to them, that I will watch football while working out. Get fit and watch football

  • http://swantron.com/ jswanson

    step 1…clean house 
    step 2…fight to .500
    step 3…fill in gaps
    step 4…compete

    Step one is two moves away from being done.  A bunch of free agent pitchers along with our usual roster of scamps could win 70+ games.  They have the money to work with…enough to develop the farm and field a less-than-embarrassing team.  I believe we’ll be more delusional as we pick up pieces.  

  • Seymour Butts

    Do Laverne and Shirley stop by?

  • Seymour Butts

    Myth-busters did an episode on in flight radio interference. They proved there was essentially no possibility of it, but did not make a “busted” call. Likely because there is federal law involved.
    The way we all really know it’s BullGregg, is that no planes are falling out of the sky. If a terrorist merely had to use radio waves to “jam” a cockpit, it would be happening hourly.

  • http://swantron.com/ jswanson

    They were pulling the cool Baker in a speedboat when he ski-jumped over Smarja.  

  • Norm Bothwell

    Well,
    1) the deal was pulled off the table by the Cubs.
    2) no other team traded for Haren.
    3) LAA didn’t exercise the option that would have kept him there for a net of 1 year, $12M.

    Why do you think all these things happened?
    If teams believed that Haren would “kill in the NL”, don’t you think someone would have traded for him?

    It’s not too early to question the move, but what’s to question? All signs point to Haren’s medicals being questionable and not worth the risk of giving up an asset.

  • Jeremiah Johnson

    I see what you did there, and I heartily approve.

  • Jeremiah Johnson

    I agree with Adrian that the way forward isn’t to spend as little as possible. I
    expect the Cubs to repeat the Maholm model a couple more times in
    preparation for next year. With that in mind, any deal we give Haren
    needs to be movable. We’re not bringing him (or any free agent pitchers)
    in as the solution–just a better-than-serviceable stop-gap that we can
    flip mid-season for younger talent. Spend all you want on scouting and development–right now, we simply don’t have the arms we need.

  • BLPCB

    That’s how I feel, and that’s why I was excited about the Haren trade. Get rid of Marmol, have Haren pitch for 1 year, then either trade him for prospects at the deadline, or get the draft picks

  • Chuck

    I agree that Step 1 is almost complete or complete enough.  They are a ways from Step 2.  To me, in order to be a good team (competing for a playoff spot) you have to be “good” in two of the main areas of the game (hitting, pitching, and defense).  Right now the Cubs are good in one area, defense.  However, they are flat out bad in the other two areas.  Here are some ranking from 2012 out of the 16 NL teams.
    Hitting
    Runs Scored: 613 (14 of 16)
    HR: 137 (12)
    BB: 447 (15)
    SO: 1235 (10)
    OBP: .302 (15)
    SLG: .378 (14)
    Pitching
    ERA: 4.51 (14)
    ERA+: 88
    BB: 573 (16)
    K: 1128 (15)
    The Cubs were bad at hitting and pitching in 2012.  They did not draw walks, hit for power or score runs.  They also did not strike people out and allowed too many walks.  These are not issues that can be fixed by replacing a player or two.  Ironically, the rotation was the strength of the team in 2012.  Aside from the dry-heaving caused by Mr. Volstad, they were quite good with everyone having an ERA+ over 90.  However, they did lack an ace after Dempster left.  The bullpen was terrible.

  • Joe Aiello

    I think I’ve identified the problem. You still get your news from the papers.

  • BLPCB

    I, like Homer Simpson, get my news from TV monitors at gas stations.

  • Jedi

    They lacked an ace before Dempster was traded too.

  • http://swantron.com/ jswanson

    Take that with a grain of salt.  We played a significant portion of the season statistically eliminated from anything.  Vitters, BJax, Clevenger, and a million shitty pitchers come to mind as having live auditions.  Still embarrassing  but probably not as grim as the stats imply.  

  • Seymour Butts

    I understand they now allow newspapers on airplanes as well.

  • http://swantron.com/ jswanson

    I’m outraged.  A rolled-up newspaper is nearly as lethal as a box cutter.  

  • Doc Raker

    Since airlines starting providing internet service above 10,000 feet for a price. The airlines also charge for pillows, blankets, more leg room, TV, movies, canned tuna, baggage, and cute stwardesses. I had an economy ticket last week and my stewardess was obese and rude, economy plus had the cute stewardess.

  • Adrian

    How can you call fans who think they Cubs might be contenders in 2014 delusional? There’s still two off-seasons to go through. You must have a hell of a crystal ball.

  • BLPCB

    I’m working as an election judge tomorrow, I had to set up for the voting, this is what we will show the voters who are going to be voting on paper tomorrow. Our state is so broke that they can’t even get their baseball right and update Chicago’s pitchers. They’ve had this since 2006:
    http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd277/BuckeyeFan7/BozoandJenks.jpg

  • Eddie Von White

    Oh my!

  • http://swantron.com/ jswanson

    A vote for Bobby is a vote for change.  

  • BLPCB

    And a vote for Bozo is a vote for Obama I assume? When I met Tom Ricketts in 2010, even though he voted electronically, I showed this to him, he thought it was hilarious.

  • http://swantron.com/ jswanson

    You should have name dropped the elusive Alec Berg.  I’m guessing that would have seen you handed a free drink or two…possibly the yoke for a few minutes.  

  • Doc Raker

    Have an extra wafer Mr Berg, compliments of the Friendly Sky’s.

  • Doc Raker

    That is hilarious!

  • Chuck

    His stats say different.  

  • Chuck

    Two things back up my comment.  Here they are:
    1) Theo and company have been adamant that the team will build from within and use free-agency to plug holes that the farm system can’t fill when they become good.  I take them at their word and their actions back it up.  Considering that the best prospects in the system are all in AA or lower, it will be a while before the prospects percolate through the system.  BTW: I completely agree with this approach.
    2) The current MLB club is terrible for a multitude of reasons so I can expect them to continue to be terrible until #1 starts bearing fruits.  It would be different situation if you could point to a handful of positions or rotation spots that were the problems.  However, I can count on one hand the number of guys on the MLB club last season (I am not talking about late-season call ups) who are “solutions” to positions.  They are Rizzo, Barney, Castro, Castillo, and Shark.

  • Chuck

    Amateurs: http://faroutshirts.com/detail.php?id=291

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