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Ryan Dempster: Let's Gamble

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Ryan Dempster looks to rebound from a disappointing 2011 campaign and win Joe a bet.

Before you really offer up a preview of Ryan Dempster, I think it deserves mentioning that Jim Hendry does deserve a massive amount of credit for the signing. A quick history less on Demp. He was originally selected in the 3rd round of the 1995 draft by the Texas Rangers, where he spent a small amount of time in the minors before being traded to the Marlins where he made 121 starts and compiled a 4.64 ERA before being traded again to the Cincinnati Reds. While in Cincinnati his ERA rose to 6.54 in his final season with Reds before being shut down in August to have Tommy John surgery. Shortly after he was released by the Reds. Hendry had the foresight to sign Dempster, while he was still rehabbing, to a minor league contract with the hope of mining a gold nugget from a scrap heap. Remarkably, Dempster would not only pitch in 2004, but would pitch well, just 12 months removed from the surgery. In 20+ innings of work out of the pen, Demp compiled and ERA of 3.92 and picked up a pair of saves. In 2005, after starting 6 games, Dempster was named the closer for the Cubs, replacing LaTroy Hawkins. He collected 33 saves in 35 opportunities, the best save percentage in the league; in both blown saves, he collected the win. He is the only Cub and one of just three players ever to both start a game and collect 30 saves in the same season.

Since signing with the Cubs he’s gone on to win 62 games and save 87 all while posting an ERA under 4.00. It’s not “Ace” type stuff, but it’s certainly production far more than anyone could have expected when he signed that minor league deal.

I chose to do the season preview on Ryan Dempster because I’m passionate that 2012 will show a significant upgrade over last season’s results for Dempster. In fact, Cap’n Obvious and I even went so far as to put a little wager on it. While we haven’t yet seen the lines on TopBet Sportsbook, there is a bet, though the terms of the bet have yet to be discussed.  It’s sure to be the talk all throughout the summer around the water cooler at work. The time is now to decide who’s side you’re on.

Cap’n and I chose five categories and then set a number for each. On each stat, I have chosen the under, while he has chosen the over. The table below details Dempster’s 2011 numbers, his career average, and the 2012 over / under numbers for the bet for quality starts, Home runs, base on balls and strikeouts per 9 IP as well as ERA.

As you can see, the Cap’n was more than generous in the numbers he gave me to choose from. Looking the ERA, I don’t see a way he’s over 4.90. It’s never happened for him as a Cub. In fact, the last time it happened to him, he was pitching out of the bullpen. Since that time, as a starting pitcher, he’s posted an ERA under 4.00 up until last season.

Looking at the ration numbers for home runs, strikeouts and walks, Dempster has been very consistent as a starter. For the Cubs, in the last four seasons he’s been a full time starter he’s posted numbers of 0.9 HR/9, 3.5 BB/9, and 8.3 K’s/9. To think he’d suddenly drop in production that significantly seems ludicrous to me. I’ll gladly take those categories as well, which leads to the final one, which is the biggest lock. In 2011, Dempster posted a quality start percentage of 62%. Cap’n has been kind enough to set the number at….wait for it….a league average number of 49%. Poor poor Cap’n. This one is a sure lock.

All of that leads to what we should be expecting going forward for Dempster. He exercised his player option before this season to return for $14 million in 2012, plus an amount from 2010 that was deferred over two years in 2011 and 2012. Odds are he will not be re-signed after the season so while here his role needs to be one of leadership and upper rotation production. We need to see the return to good production to avoid the embarrassment that was 2011. I believe we’ll see it…wanna bet?

  • Eddie Von White

    While I have every hope of optimism that Dempster will do well this year, I have this sinking feeling in my gut that he’s best years are behind him.  

    • Joe Aiello

      Would you take the over or the under on those betting categories? You have to pick one and it goes for all of them. So if you say over, you’re over on ALL

      • Eddie Von White

         I take the over.

      • Eddie Von White

         I take the over.

    • Dusty Baylor

      Well Dempster will be 35 in May…his best years are most likely behind him.  His K/9, BB/9 rates are still solid…I think he’ll bounce back this year..more in the 3.70-4.20 ERA range.

  • Norm Bothwell

    Joe, you took the under on 7.5 K’s/9?
     

    • Joe Aiello

      No, I believe he’d have more on that one. Basically all the numbers are regression versus improvement. I chose improvement.

      • Doc Raker

        You may be right Joe since 2011 was so bad, there is room for improvement while still being bad, that is how bad 2011 was for our beloved Harry impersonator. I am not a math genius but an ERA of 4.8 means Demp was giving up just over a run every other inning. If a pitcher does that and doesn’t have a guaranteed contract he gets sent down. You should have to have better than just a good Harry Impersonation to stay up in the bigs otherwise I would be in the bigs collecting $4K for attending dinner with the Ilk of Seymour on top of my obscene contract money. 

      • I believe he also does a mean DeNiro.  

      • Doc Raker

        You may be right Joe since 2011 was so bad, there is room for improvement while still being bad, that is how bad 2011 was for our beloved Harry impersonator. I am not a math genius but an ERA of 4.8 means Demp was giving up just over a run every other inning. If a pitcher does that and doesn’t have a guaranteed contract he gets sent down. You should have to have better than just a good Harry Impersonation to stay up in the bigs otherwise I would be in the bigs collecting $4K for attending dinner with the Ilk of Seymour on top of my obscene contract money. 

      • I believe he also does a mean DeNiro.  

  • Doc Raker

    I am pessimistic about Ryan Dempster, I will take the over while noting that even if he comes in on the under he is still capable of having a craptastic season. I bet Dempster will be gone by the trade deadline along with Marmol.

    • BLPCB

      This. I feel the same way.

    • Gymjok

      So you think he’ll waive his no trade clause?

      • Doc Raker

        Yes, if it means a shot at the playoffs. I know his family is in Chicago but a few months playing out of town for another big payday would be worthwhile for Demp. I hope he does improve so the Cubs can get something at the trade deadline.

      • BLPCB

        I hope in this regard Theo will do his due diligence and pursue trades even if Dempster pulls a Ramirez and says he won’t accept a trade bc of his family. I don’t know why Hendry didn’t try trading Ramirez. Seems to me Jim Hendry doesn’t realize there is another baseball team in Chicago. They needed a 3B last year, and they had more home games remaining than the Cubs the last 2 months.

      • Doc Raker

        Hendry Smendry

  • Doc Raker

    I am pessimistic about Ryan Dempster, I will take the over while noting that even if he comes in on the under he is still capable of having a craptastic season. I bet Dempster will be gone by the trade deadline along with Marmol.

    • AC0000000

      This. I feel the same way.

    • Gymjok

      So you think he’ll waive his no trade clause?

      • Doc Raker

        Yes, if it means a shot at the playoffs. I know his family is in Chicago but a few months playing out of town for another big payday would be worthwhile for Demp. I hope he does improve so the Cubs can get something at the trade deadline.

      • AC0000000

        I hope in this regard Theo will do his due diligence and pursue trades even if Dempster pulls a Ramirez and says he won’t accept a trade bc of his family. I don’t know why Hendry didn’t try trading Ramirez. Seems to me Jim Hendry doesn’t realize there is another baseball team in Chicago. They needed a 3B last year, and they had more home games remaining than the Cubs the last 2 months.

      • Doc Raker

        Hendry Smendry

  • Norm Bothwell

    I”m on Joe’s side with those over/under numbers they set. I don’t think Dempster was as bad as his ERA suggests and see it bouncing back to under 4.00.

    • Doc Raker

      Right Norm- I believe you are in the ‘Dempster was unlucky’ crowd? I believe 2012 will prove Dempster to be past his useful starting pitchers shelf life. I hope I am wrong but when was the last time that happened? Sure I have been unlucky but never wrong.

      • Norm Bothwell

        Nope, I am in the “Dempster couldn’t locate his pitches against left handers and those left handers rocked him but I think he can fix that in 2012” crowd.

      • Doc Raker

        I am in the ‘Demp hung everything in the hitting zone and everyone crushed it’ crowd.

  • Norm Bothwell

    I”m on Joe’s side with those over/under numbers they set. I don’t think Dempster was as bad as his ERA suggests and see it bouncing back to under 4.00.

    • Doc Raker

      Right Norm- I believe you are in the ‘Dempster was unlucky’ crowd? I believe 2012 will prove Dempster to be past his useful starting pitchers shelf life. I hope I am wrong but when was the last time that happened? Sure I have been unlucky but never wrong.

      • Norm Bothwell

        Nope, I am in the “Dempster couldn’t locate his pitches against left handers and those left handers rocked him but I think he can fix that in 2012” crowd.

      • Doc Raker

        I am in the ‘Demp hung everything in the hitting zone and everyone crushed it’ crowd.

  • Gymjok

    I’m already on record quite awhile ago when I responded to the who should be the opening day starter article.
    I’m on the under side.

  • Gymjok

    I’m already on record quite awhile ago when I responded to the who should be the opening day starter article.
    I’m on the under side.

  • Seymour Butts

    I see Demp having a good season, being the opening day starter, and getting the first start in the playoffs (at home, as the Cubs will have the home field advantage).
    Of course I also see Raker voting for Barry O this fall, so perhaps I need to find a good optometrist.

  • Jedi

    If you’re giving Hendry the credit for the 2004-2008 contracts that he’d signed Dempster to, he needs to get the blame for this last contract too.  He got No. 1 money and has performed more like a No. 3.

    • BLPCB

      You wouldn’t have given him that contract coming off his 2008 season?

      • cap’n obvious

        no, not at his age.  In his career, he’d only had one year EVEN CLOSE to 2008, and that was 7 years prior.  In THAT season (2001) he led the league in walks allowed, and was 4th in earned runs.  People forget that in 2006 he had 9 blown saves.  That’s Gregging it up pretty badly.  The guy blew MORE THAN 1 in 4 save opprtunities.  The guy had a great year in ’08.  A contract year.  I know I’ll take crap for this…but it’s possible, maybe even probable that 2008 was a chemically enhanced year for Dempster.  Yes, pitchers juice.  Even Cub pitchers. 

      • I still have an uneasy feeling whenever Demp is on the mount…stems directly from his closer days.  Another season of that, and we would be saying “Marmol is Dempping awful.”

      • Marmol was Dempping awful today…1IP 2H 2BB 1HBP 3ER and the win.  I’m beginning to wonder if wins are the best way to determine a player’s value.

      • Seymour Butts

        Wins (actually any record at all) for a closer are bad news. Much akin to remaining food on a plate in a Midwest greasy spoon inhabited by only fat people.

      • I’m beginning to wonder if remaining food on a plate in a Midwest greasy spoon inhabited by only fat people is the best way to make an analogy.  

      • Dusty Baylor

        Perhaps he had a career year in 2008?  I mean…that happens still yeah?  His K/9, BB/9, #of innings have been pretty steady in the years since…he’s just giving up more HR’s. Demp this year..I’ll go out on a small limb.:
        32 starts, 205 IP, 3.80 ERA, 170 K/s/ 70 BB, 22 HR’s

    • AC0000000

      You wouldn’t have given him that contract coming off his 2008 season?

      • cap’n obvious

        no, not at his age.  In his career, he’d only had one year EVEN CLOSE to 2008, and that was 7 years prior.  In THAT season (2001) he led the league in walks allowed, and was 4th in earned runs.  People forget that in 2006 he had 9 blown saves.  That’s Gregging it up pretty badly.  The guy blew MORE THAN 1 in 4 save opprtunities.  The guy had a great year in ’08.  A contract year.  I know I’ll take crap for this…but it’s possible, maybe even probable that 2008 was a chemically enhanced year for Dempster.  Yes, pitchers juice.  Even Cub pitchers. 

      • I still have an uneasy feeling whenever Demp is on the mount…stems directly from his closer days.  Another season of that, and we would be saying “Marmol is Dempping awful.”

      • Marmol was Dempping awful today…1IP 2H 2BB 1HBP 3ER and the win.  I’m beginning to wonder if wins are the best way to determine a player’s value.

      • Seymour Butts

        Wins (actually any record at all) for a closer are bad news. Much akin to remaining food on a plate in a Midwest greasy spoon inhabited by only fat people.

      • I’m beginning to wonder if remaining food on a plate in a Midwest greasy spoon inhabited by only fat people is the best way to make an analogy.  

      • Dusty Baylor

        Perhaps he had a career year in 2008?  I mean…that happens still yeah?  His K/9, BB/9, #of innings have been pretty steady in the years since…he’s just giving up more HR’s. Demp this year..I’ll go out on a small limb.:
        32 starts, 205 IP, 3.80 ERA, 170 K/s/ 70 BB, 22 HR’s

    • Noah_I

      While I agree with you that Dempster is somewhat overpaid, I have to disagree that he’s making number 1 money.  Clear number ones are making $20 million a year or more once they hit the open market (Sabathia, Halladay and Lee all make that.  Even Lincecum is making $20 million a year in his last two years of arb.)  Dempster is averaging $13 million a year over the contract. 

      But I agree that Dempster would be a 3 on a good team.  I’d just say he’s paid more like a fringe 2.  With that said, this was one of Hendry’s more successful open market contract signings… and it’s not a good voucher when you say that one of his 3 or 4 best open market contract signings was a guy who only slightly pitched under the value of his contract.  I’d also bet that Hendry could have resigned Dempster for 3 years/$36 million or 4 years/$40 million. 

      • Jedi

        Cherry-pick contracts all you want – I can do the same.  Hilarious that you include Halladay’s most recent contract on that list.  Halladay and Chris Carpenter re-upped for $13.3mil and $12.7mil respectively the off-season BEFORE Dempster got his ransom ($13mil).  So in one season the price for a No. 1 became the price for a No. 2?

        Here’s a partial list of pitchers in history who have received a higher annual salary than Dempster got from the Cubs.  Sabathia (x2), Cliff Lee, Santana, Lincecum, Halladay (x2), Zambrano, Zito, Peavy, Jered Weaver, Burnett, Lackey, Verlander, Jason Schmidt, Felix Hernandez, CJ Wilson, Hampton, Lowe, Oswalt, Buerhle, Pedro.  Probably the best thing you can say about Dempster’s deal is that it’s not the WORST contract that they’ve given to a starter.  Care to still argue that he’s not getting No. 1 money?  Basically every guy on that list was signed specifically to be a No. 1 starter.  (I say partial because it’s from BP/Cot’s, and I’m pretty sure it’s not up to date – for some reason Josh Beckett is missing – that’s one I know of).

        http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=179 

      • Noah_I

        First, you have to compare apples to apples.  Contracts where a player gave up a couple of arbitration years are not comparable, because that is taken into account in the contract.  

        But, just for fun, here’s a list of every stating pitcher who reached the free agent market from 2006 to the present who signed a contract for an annual fee of $10 million or more.  

        2006
        Roger Clemens, 1 year, $22 milling (played portion of year so prorated to $12.25 million)
        A.J. Burnett, 5 years, $55 million ($11 million per year)
        Kevin Millwood, 5 years, $60 million ($12 million per year)

        2007
        Daisuke Matsuzaka, 6 years, $103 million (including posting fee, $17.2 million per year)
        Barry Zito, 7 years, $133 million ($19 million per year)
        Jason Schmidt, 3 years, $47 million ($15.67 million per year)
        Roger Clemens, 1 year, $28 million (played portion of year so prorated to $18.7 million)
        Vicente Padillia, 3 years, $34 million ($11.33 million per year)
        Mike Mussina, 2 years, $22.5 million ($11.25 million per year)
        Greg Maddux, 1 year, $10 million
        Andy Pettitte, 1 year, $16 million
        Gil Meche, 5 years, $55 million ($11 million per year)
        Ted Lilly, 4 years, $40 million ($10 million per year)
        Jeff Suppan, 4 years, $42 million ($10.5 million per year)

        2008
        Andy Pettitte, 1 year, $16 million
        Carlos Silva, 4 years, $44 to $48 million ($11 million to $12 million per year)
        Curt Schilling, 1 year, $13 million
        Greg Maddux, 1 year, $10 million
        Hiroki Kuroda, 3 years, $35.3 million ($11.7 million per year)

        2009
        C.C. Sabathia, 7 years, $161 million ($23 million per year)
        A.J. Burnett, 5 years, $82.5 million ($16.5 million per year)
        Derek Lowe, 4 years, $60 million ($15 million per year)
        Ryan Dempster, 4 years, $52 million ($13 million per year)
        Oliver Perez, 3 years, $36 million ($12 million per year)

        2010
        John Lackey, 5 years, $82.5 million ($16.5 million per year)

        2011
        Cliff Lee, 5 years, $120 million ($24 million per year)
        Hiroki Kuroda, 1 year, $12 million
        Ted Lilly, 3 years, $33 million ($11 million per year)
        Jorge De la Rosa, 3 years, $32 million ($10.67 million per year)

        2012
        C.C. Sabathia, 5 years, $122 million ($24.4 million per year)
        C.J. Wilson, 5 years, $75.5 million ($15.5 million per year)
        Mark Buehrle, 4 years, $58 million ($14.5 million per year)
        Edwin Jackson, 1 year, $11 million

      • BLPCB

        I thought Zito got 126M?

      • Noah_I

        I added in the $7 million buyout on the option for year 8, which the Giants will clearly buy out.

      • BLPCB

        I thought the buyout was part of the contract. When contracts are reported, the guaranteed amount almost always includes whatever buyout there is (if any)

      • BLPCB

        From ESPN: His deal includes an $18 million option for 2014 with a $7 million buyout that could increase the value of his deal to $137 million. The option would become guaranteed if Zito pitches 200 innings in 2013, 400 combined over 2012 and 2013 or 600 combined from 2011-13.

        http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2714583

      • Jedi

        So you don’t like that I included Felix and Lincecum, etc. because they would’ve received a HIGHER salary on the open market.  That’s irrelevant.  The point is, the only people receiving a HIGHER salary than Dempster were signed to be No. 1 starters.  $50mil+ and 4+ years is a huge commitment to a guy – that’s front of the rotation money.  There’s a reason why typically only a few guys get that in a given off-season.

    • Noah_I

      While I agree with you that Dempster is somewhat overpaid, I have to disagree that he’s making number 1 money.  Clear number ones are making $20 million a year or more once they hit the open market (Sabathia, Halladay and Lee all make that.  Even Lincecum is making $20 million a year in his last two years of arb.)  Dempster is averaging $13 million a year over the contract. 

      But I agree that Dempster would be a 3 on a good team.  I’d just say he’s paid more like a fringe 2.  With that said, this was one of Hendry’s more successful open market contract signings… and it’s not a good voucher when you say that one of his 3 or 4 best open market contract signings was a guy who only slightly pitched under the value of his contract.  I’d also bet that Hendry could have resigned Dempster for 3 years/$36 million or 4 years/$40 million. 

      • Jedi

        Cherry-pick contracts all you want – I can do the same.  Hilarious that you include Halladay’s most recent contract on that list.  Halladay and Chris Carpenter re-upped for $13.3mil and $12.7mil respectively the off-season BEFORE Dempster got his ransom ($13mil).  So in one season the price for a No. 1 became the price for a No. 2?

        Here’s a partial list of pitchers in history who have received a higher annual salary than Dempster got from the Cubs.  Sabathia (x2), Cliff Lee, Santana, Lincecum, Halladay (x2), Zambrano, Zito, Peavy, Jered Weaver, Burnett, Lackey, Verlander, Jason Schmidt, Felix Hernandez, CJ Wilson, Hampton, Lowe, Oswalt, Buerhle, Pedro.  Probably the best thing you can say about Dempster’s deal is that it’s not the WORST contract that they’ve given to a starter.  Care to still argue that he’s not getting No. 1 money?  Basically every guy on that list was signed specifically to be a No. 1 starter.  (I say partial because it’s from BP/Cot’s, and I’m pretty sure it’s not up to date – for some reason Josh Beckett is missing – that’s one I know of).

        http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=179 

      • Noah_I

        First, you have to compare apples to apples.  Contracts where a player gave up a couple of arbitration years are not comparable, because that is taken into account in the contract.  

        But, just for fun, here’s a list of every stating pitcher who reached the free agent market from 2006 to the present who signed a contract for an annual fee of $10 million or more.  

        2006
        Roger Clemens, 1 year, $22 milling (played portion of year so prorated to $12.25 million)
        A.J. Burnett, 5 years, $55 million ($11 million per year)
        Kevin Millwood, 5 years, $60 million ($12 million per year)

        2007
        Daisuke Matsuzaka, 6 years, $103 million (including posting fee, $17.2 million per year)
        Barry Zito, 7 years, $133 million ($19 million per year)
        Jason Schmidt, 3 years, $47 million ($15.67 million per year)
        Roger Clemens, 1 year, $28 million (played portion of year so prorated to $18.7 million)
        Vicente Padillia, 3 years, $34 million ($11.33 million per year)
        Mike Mussina, 2 years, $22.5 million ($11.25 million per year)
        Greg Maddux, 1 year, $10 million
        Andy Pettitte, 1 year, $16 million
        Gil Meche, 5 years, $55 million ($11 million per year)
        Ted Lilly, 4 years, $40 million ($10 million per year)
        Jeff Suppan, 4 years, $42 million ($10.5 million per year)

        2008
        Andy Pettitte, 1 year, $16 million
        Carlos Silva, 4 years, $44 to $48 million ($11 million to $12 million per year)
        Curt Schilling, 1 year, $13 million
        Greg Maddux, 1 year, $10 million
        Hiroki Kuroda, 3 years, $35.3 million ($11.7 million per year)

        2009
        C.C. Sabathia, 7 years, $161 million ($23 million per year)
        A.J. Burnett, 5 years, $82.5 million ($16.5 million per year)
        Derek Lowe, 4 years, $60 million ($15 million per year)
        Ryan Dempster, 4 years, $52 million ($13 million per year)
        Oliver Perez, 3 years, $36 million ($12 million per year)

        2010
        John Lackey, 5 years, $82.5 million ($16.5 million per year)

        2011
        Cliff Lee, 5 years, $120 million ($24 million per year)
        Hiroki Kuroda, 1 year, $12 million
        Ted Lilly, 3 years, $33 million ($11 million per year)
        Jorge De la Rosa, 3 years, $32 million ($10.67 million per year)

        2012
        C.C. Sabathia, 5 years, $122 million ($24.4 million per year)
        C.J. Wilson, 5 years, $75.5 million ($15.5 million per year)
        Mark Buehrle, 4 years, $58 million ($14.5 million per year)
        Edwin Jackson, 1 year, $11 million

      • AC0000000

        I thought Zito got 126M?

      • Noah_I

        I added in the $7 million buyout on the option for year 8, which the Giants will clearly buy out.

      • AC0000000

        I thought the buyout was part of the contract. When contracts are reported, the guaranteed amount almost always includes whatever buyout there is (if any)

      • AC0000000

        From ESPN: His deal includes an $18 million option for 2014 with a $7 million buyout that could increase the value of his deal to $137 million. The option would become guaranteed if Zito pitches 200 innings in 2013, 400 combined over 2012 and 2013 or 600 combined from 2011-13.

        http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2714583

      • Jedi

        So you don’t like that I included Felix and Lincecum, etc. because they would’ve received a HIGHER salary on the open market.  That’s irrelevant.  The point is, the only people receiving a HIGHER salary than Dempster were signed to be No. 1 starters.  $50mil+ and 4+ years is a huge commitment to a guy – that’s front of the rotation money.  There’s a reason why typically only a few guys get that in a given off-season.

    • Doc Raker

      Like a number 6 in 2011.

    • Doc Raker

      Like a number 6 in 2011.

  • cap’n obvious

    to clarify, this is less an over/under and more like a better or worse.  I’m taking the worse.  I think it’s over for our favorite little glove-flipper.  I don’t think they will be able to move him at the deadline.  I don’t think any contending team will want him.  I hope I lose this bet.  I doubt I will. 

  • cap’n obvious

    to clarify, this is less an over/under and more like a better or worse.  I’m taking the worse.  I think it’s over for our favorite little glove-flipper.  I don’t think they will be able to move him at the deadline.  I don’t think any contending team will want him.  I hope I lose this bet.  I doubt I will. 

  • flyslinger2

    I have always seen Demp in a favorable view. I agree that he’s not an Ace but he sure is a quality pitcher and a leader. I hope that he can have a few more wins this year with some better offense and much improved defense.

  • flyslinger2

    I have always seen Demp in a favorable view. I agree that he’s not an Ace but he sure is a quality pitcher and a leader. I hope that he can have a few more wins this year with some better offense and much improved defense.

  • Buddy

    I think 30+ starts and an ERA around league average are pretty good bets for Dempster this year.

    • Doc Raker

      Hope, bet whichever.

      • Buddy

         Or as a wise person once said, “Wish in one hand, sh!t in the other.”

  • Buddy

    I think 30+ starts and an ERA around league average are pretty good bets for Dempster this year.

    • Doc Raker

      Hope, bet whichever.

      • Buddy

         Or as a wise person once said, “Wish in one hand, sh!t in the other.”

  • Lizzie

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  • If you’re playing in VFTB’s March Madness tournament don’t forget to pick your bracket. You have until mid-day Thursday. If you haven’t signed up yet and still want to play, instructions are near the end of this post: http://viewfromthebleachers.com/blog/2012/03/08/girlieview-03082012/

  • BLPCB

    In other news, did anyone hear that Ozzie got ejected today? Some things never change. Only now, Ozzie actually looks like the clown that he talks and acts like.

  • AC0000000

    In other news, did anyone hear that Ozzie got ejected today? Some things never change. Only now, Ozzie actually looks like the clown that he talks and acts like.

  • Matt Mitchener

    Dempster’s XFIP has been nearly the same the last 4 years, between 3.69 and 3.74.  2008 he had more luck with his babip and home runs while in 2011 he had bad luck in those categories. If dempster has a better defense behind he more likely to pitch to like he did 09 and 10.

    Seems like easy money…

    • Doc Raker

      Line drives that look like frozen ropes are not a function of luck, they are a function of bad pitches. Dempster didn’t have bad luck in 2011 he threw bad pitches, I saw them with my own two eyes.

      • Buddy

        If you really watched every pitch Dempster threw last year, you have my sympathy.

      • Doc Raker

        I saw enough bad pitches to know he wasn’t unlucky. Does anyone here want to argue that Dempster did not hang pitches in the hitting zone last year?

      • Jeter has a Gold Glove.  Care to argue that he was/is one of the best defenders in the game at his position?

      • Doc Raker

        Nope, Jeter and the Eastcoast Sports Propaganda Network and all the other east coast ‘sports writers’ can continue their love in without my input.

      • BLPCB

        But he is on SportsCenter every night for a great defensive play!!!!

        Seriously, I would rather have Neifi on defense than Jeter. If I had Neifi and Jeter on the same team, if I had to protect a 1-run lead in the 9th, I would pull Jeter for Neifi for defense.

  • Matt Mitchener

    Dempster’s XFIP has been nearly the same the last 4 years, between 3.69 and 3.74.  2008 he had more luck with his babip and home runs while in 2011 he had bad luck in those categories. If dempster has a better defense behind he more likely to pitch to like he did 09 and 10.

    Seems like easy money…

    • Doc Raker

      Line drives that look like frozen ropes are not a function of luck, they are a function of bad pitches. Dempster didn’t have bad luck in 2011 he threw bad pitches, I saw them with my own two eyes.

      • Buddy

        If you really watched every pitch Dempster threw last year, you have my sympathy.

      • Doc Raker

        I saw enough bad pitches to know he wasn’t unlucky. Does anyone here want to argue that Dempster did not hang pitches in the hitting zone last year?

      • Jeter has a Gold Glove.  Care to argue that he was/is one of the best defenders in the game at his position?

      • Doc Raker

        Nope, Jeter and the Eastcoast Sports Propaganda Network and all the other east coast ‘sports writers’ can continue their love in without my input.

      • AC0000000

        But he is on SportsCenter every night for a great defensive play!!!!

        Seriously, I would rather have Neifi on defense than Jeter. If I had Neifi and Jeter on the same team, if I had to protect a 1-run lead in the 9th, I would pull Jeter for Neifi for defense.