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  • Timo

    I guess there are a couple of things that are unresolved: Starting pitching, 1st base, the bullpen,…

    I think the most important one is starting pitching, but I also guess that the next move will be to resign Wood to a one year deal, probably with a mutual option for a second year.

  • Dusty Baylor

    Sign Prince Fielder, if it’s not too long a deal. 6 years/$25 million? There is no bat in the Cub minor league system that projects to do what he does at the plate, and the free agent class next year is thin. If they’re going to punt 2012, then I suppose not. But he’d be a good signing…weakening the Brewers, and solidifying the Cubs for the next 5-7 years at 1B.

  • Doc Raker

    Pitching with moxie. I think Fielder is going to want more than $25M for a 6 year deal Dusty although I would pay him that with a heart attack clause in the contract. If Fielder becomes disabled or dead due to a heart attack the Cubs can void his contract. Fielder is a tough player to market, could you imagine seeing a 30 foot poster of this guy on the outside of Wrigley? It would scare all the kids.

  • Dusty Baylor

    I’d put on the poster:
    .282/.390/.540, 37 HR, 106 RBI…which is his career averages. If he wants more than that, he can go fish. Have fun in Seattle..

  • MJ

    Fielder for $4.16 million a year???? Good grief.

  • Randy

    I’d be OK with Fielder at 5years/125million with a mutual option for years six and seven at 26$million a year. Boras isn’t a fan of mutual options, and wants to have all the control so I don’t see that happening. Otherwise let the big man walk.
    The new CBA has the Cub’s in a bad spot, they cannot spend to build through the draft and no amount of money is going to secure a winning roster with the mess they have right now. Firesale after the break this year, no one is untouchable and rebuild the hard way.

  • BLPCB

    Castro can be traded also, Randy?
    I think the next order of business is a 1st baseman and starting pitching.

  • Randy

    If the price is right, yeah trade Castro. We have another stud SS in the farm system.

  • BLPCB

    Who? I thought we gave him up in the Garza trade?

  • Randy

    Javier Baez, he was profiled last week in an article. He’s still young and probably needs at least another season in the minors, maybe two. However the Cub’s are not going to compete in the next couple of years, and if the value is there, trade whomever you need to build a winner for the future.

  • BLPCB

    Why can’t Castro and Baez be a part of that winner in the future? And I thought Baez was our draft pick this year and he is a 3B? Can’t we just move Castro to 2B, like was being tlaked about before we traded the Korean guy for Garza?

  • Noah

    If Baez only takes two years in the minors, that would be a small miracle. He’s a pretty raw player who has never played against top talent drafted right out of high school. He’ll almost certainly start next year in Peoria. I’m sure best case scenario for the Cubs is that he excels in Peoria, moves to Daytona and excels there so he can start 2013 in Tennessee. But it wouldn’t be a surprise if he spends nearly all of next year in the Midwest League and goes to Daytona for at least the start of 2013. Best case scenario for Baez being ready is probably mid-2014. Sometime in 2015 is probably a lot more likely. Also, every scouting guy in baseball things Baez is going to outgrow shortstop and need to be moved to 3B.

    I’d agree the Cubs should be willing to trade Starlin Castro if a good enough deal comes along. That deal isn’t going to happen, though. A deal involving trading Castro would have to include a player like Mike Trout or Bryce Harper for me to do it. That’s just not going to be offered.

  • Dusty Baylor

    According to scouts, Baez profiles as a 3B or OF eventually due to size/skills…

  • The Dodgers inked Grabow to a minor league deal. So long Bozo…

  • Jedi

    I’m not sure why so much hope is being put in the guys that have been drafted recently. Part of our problem historically has been hanging on to these supposed stars in the making until no one wants them anymore. Anyone else wish we’d traded Vitters 2-3 years ago when other teams still wanted him? I do. He was the 43rd prospect (Baseball America), then the 51st, then the 70th, I bet he’s past #100 when they rank them prior to this season. Not every one of these guys is going to pan out…I’d rather risk trading one guy who’ll become a star elsewhere – than hanging on to 10 who’ll never even make the majors.

    We need more trades like the Garza deal, not fewer.

  • Dusty Baylor

    Jedi, who do you mean exactly? Baez? Castro?

  • Dusty Baylor

    BTW, not disagreeing with you completely there….
    I’d have like to see Vitters get a full season at some level before they start promoting him….until last season anyway.

  • Jedi

    Basically anyone who has yet to make their mark in the majors – assuming that we’re not simply unloading them, but getting back MLB player(s) in return; which is why I referenced the Garza deal.

    So no, not Castro – but yeah, Baez; for the right price why not. Any number of things could happen to him between now and when he’s projected to be in the majors (which is likely 3-4 years) – but for a while now, the Cubs have been content to hang onto players like Baez until they have zero trade value; unless of course we can work something out with the Ham Fighters.

  • Dusty Baylor

    Ah I get you then…..
    I spose as far as Baez, specifically, I’d like to see a 1st round pick get at least 1 full season before trading him away. But that’s my opinion. Hell, I’d like to see some of these guys get shots, rather than getting “proven veterans” who are stop gap filler…Jacque Jones…Marlon Byrd..etc

  • Jedi

    But see Dusty, that’s just my point. Look at the last 10 first round picks by the Cubs:

    Baez
    Simpson
    Jackson
    Cashner
    Vitters
    Colvin
    Pawelek
    Harvey
    Brownlie
    Prior

    There’s only one guy on that list that we would’ve been absolutely foolish to trade, and injuries killed his career (Prior). Most of the rest of those guys will never be regular MLB starters. Jackson and Colvin have a chance, and Cashner looks like a solid reliever. There was a time when Vitters was the beginning of a conversation about acquiring Adrian Gonzalez…the Cubs saw that as a non-starter. If Baez today can be the centerpiece of another Garza deal, sign me up – I’d love that. I think we protect our picks too much (perhaps it’s Garland for Karchner that gives the Cubs pause, I don’t know).

  • Dusty Baylor

    I get you. It makes sense. I say, on the other hand, that most teams wouldn’t want Baez anyway until they see something from him.
    Did you have to bring up Pawalek, Brownmlie, and Harvey?
    I just ate lunch….

  • Noah

    Regarding trading Baez, Baez can’t actually even be traded yet. I don’t know the exact date offhand, but it’s something close to a year after being selected in the Rule 4 draft that a player can be traded. With that said, I don’t think most teams would see what they would consider equal value for even their high round draft picks, since other teams will want to see especially the high school players in pro ball before offering much value in current major leaguers. There would be exceptions to that, but those would be Bryce Harpers and Stephen Strasburgs who are nearly untradeable.

    On top of that, no player should actually be untradeable in my opinion. If the Cubs get a package that is more valuable that Starlin Castro offered to them, they should trade Starlin Castro for that package. If I was the Cubs GM and the Marlins offered me Mike Stanton, who is nearly the same age as Castro, has one of the best power bats in all of baseball, is essentially at the same point in terms of service time, and is an above average right fielder, straight up for Castro, who has probably about a 50/50 shot at staying at shortstop long term, I would have to think long and hard about that offer. If the Nationals offered Bryce Harper straight up for Castro, I’d take that every day of the week and twice on Sunday, even though Harper has never had a MLB plate appearance. Once Baez is eligible to be traded, I would be fine with including him in any deal that brought back surplus value.

  • Norm

    Baez is so far away he shouldnt even be mentioned as part of the Cubs future. Vitters was similar, and 2012 will be the fifth year after drafting him.
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    As for what is next? I would be looking into acquiring Anthony Rizzo. But doesnt matter if that is ‘next’ or down the line.

  • Memphis via Chicago

    It would seem by the rumors that the next order of business is trading Garza, to just about any team this side of Japan. However, I do not see this as wise unless the team gets better in the deal. That being said, I don’t see how you trade your team’s #1 and improve.

    I do think a deal for Rizzo is imminent. Makes too much sense for the right price. I still think we should skip Fielder, start with Lahair at first (at least in Spring Training) and have Rizzo available too.

    I am just not a big Fielder fan. No pun intended, well yes, actually it was! Spend the money, resources on pitching. Please.

  • Doc Raker

    I am glad there is no Fielder band wagon forming here. After the Pena band wagon of last year I was worried about a Fielder band wagon. Probably not much room left on a Fielder band wagon anyways.

  • The issue is not necessarily with the band wagon surface area, but rather with the band wagon axle strength.

  • Doc Raker

    Or the energy needed to pull such a band wagon.

  • Buddy

    The good news is that fan bandwagons don’t impact team decisions.

  • Doc Raker

    You would be surprised Buddy, Hendry’s administration read this blog. Remember the guy named GMJIM? He hasn’t posted in a while.

  • Buddy

    I’m sure they visit lots of baseball sites. I just don’t believe that they make personnel decisions based on what is posted, written, etc. If they did, the Cubs would have eight Darwin Barneys on the field every year.

  • Doc Raker

    If they did they would of never signed Carlos Pena.

  • Buddy

    I don’t know about that one, Doc. For every person who thought Pena was a good one-year signing, there were 10 who called him a bum because he hit under .200 the year before.