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Morning News: Hoops, Hall of Fame and OF

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College Hoops: My beloved Wisconsin Badgers got beat by North Carolina last night, 60-57.  It’s not really upsetting, because Wisconsin is ranked 7th in the nation, despite having some pretty low rankings (139th in PPG, 89th in rebounds, 62nd in FG%, and 51st in assists). And if I put my bias aside, the Tarheels are one of my favorite NCAA hoops teams. Is anyone else surprised by Wisconsin’s sports teams this year?

Cooperstown: The Hall of Fame ballot has been released. Any thoughts on the names included?

Say No to Outfielders: David DeJesus was not a guy I had in mind for the Cubs. Sure, he’s a lefty, but he’s also an outfielder who is coming off a career-low season. Not exactly my idea of a necessary acquisition. Isn’t pitching our biggest need? Why yes, yes it is.

  • Dusty Baylor

    1) Wisconsin Fever…Catch it!
    2)Tim Salmon…Eric Young..Javy Lopez…Zoiks!!
    3)David DeJesus..who’s next…Paul Maholm?

  • Noah

    Wisconsin v. UNC was a game that was going to turn on who had home court. UNC did last night, and with that fact I was surprised by how close my Badgers were able to keep it. Wisconsin has had very solid football and basketball programs for 10 years now (actually nearly 20 for football).

  • Norm

    My HoF ballot would be:
    Jeff Bagwell, 1B
    Barry Larkin, SS
    Tim Raines, OF
    Alan Trammell, SS

    I’d seriously consider:
    Mark McGwire, 1B
    Edgar Martinez, 3B/DH

  • Chuck

    Without doing any research, these are the names that stand out for me on this ballot in no particular order:
    Bagwell
    Larkin
    Raines
    Trammell

  • Katie

    Norm, you would pick McGwire even with the all steroid drama?

  • Norm

    Not sure Katie, I’d have to look at his career more and make a very subjective judgement on if I think he would have been a HoF without roids.

    But Gaylord Perry wrote a book on cheating and he’s in the HoF.
    Players in the 60’s and 70’s were all on drugs and a lot are in the HoF. Bob Gibson for instance. Greenies were more rampant than steroids.
    It only became a big deal when players broke the HR record.

  • Norm

    I didn’t mean ALL players in the 60s and 70s were on drugs

  • Mordecai Brown

    So Rafael Palmero is upset he didn’t get more Hall of Fame votes last year and cites his record. May I humbly suggest his record consists of more than baseball statistics; it includes the cleanliness of his image. Yes, there are some members of the HOF (Cobb, Anson, and Hornsby for instance) whose reputation on and off the field smells to high heaven, but the inclusion of those mistakes does not justify electing more of the same. Palmero’s reputation is marred by drug usage, but it is further damaged by his shenanigans off the firld, his clubhouse presence, and his self-centered attitude.

  • Katie

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcgwima01.shtml

    Here are his career stats. His numbers are kind of all over the place. I’m not sure about him, but it could just be because I didn’t like him because he played for the Cardinals and he and Sammy were always competing with each other. 🙂

  • Mark

    Nice article Katie, quick and to the point.
    I would have really liked to see Wis beat UNC last night simply because I’m still mad about what UNC did to my Illini in the championship game. HoF wise, I would say the only ones that should be considered are Larkin and Bagwell. As for DeJesus, kind of a vanilla signing. If we’re gonna be bad next year I would rather have a cheap Tyler Colvin in right and see if he’s able to cut it in the majors.

  • chris in illinois

    My ballot:

    Bagwell
    Larkin
    McGriff
    McGwire
    Raines
    Trammell
    Palmeiro
    Edgar Martinez

    I’d have to think closer about Bernie, LArry Walker and Javy Lopez…I love Dale Murphy (Wilco Fan!), but he’s just short—better player than Andre Dawson—but still short.
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    Trammel, Raines and Bagwell are no-doubters. McGwire pretty clearly took HGH and ‘roids to get healthy (re-visit 93-95) and if no one cares that Sandy Koufax required drugs to play, why should I care about Mark McGwire and his pharmaceuticals?

  • Dusty Baylor

    Steroids physically change your body so you can train longer, and recover quicker. Greenies make you more alert when you’re tired, but they do not make you throw faster, run harder, etc. In fact, they can make you think you’re really flamethrowing when you’re not.

  • Norm

    Greenies increase focus and ease fatigue.

    There is currently a Ritalin epidemic in baseball too that gets ignored….improve focus is a pretty big deal when trying to hit a 90 mph moving target.

  • chris in illinois

    Without cortisone, LBJ would have pitched as well as Koufax did in the 1965 series. That being said, I’ve got no issues with cortisone or HGH for that matter. I am glad that steroids have (mostly) been rooted out, but I won’t rip on guys who used them when there were no rules against them.

  • chris in illinois

    If Ted Williams thought that greenies helped him perform better, that’s good enough for me.

  • Dusty Baylor

    Speed will help yoou with fatigue…in the short term. Long term, it will make you jittery, and will result in even greater fatigue when you crash.

  • Dusty Baylor

    BTW…ever talk to anyone on speed? They are NOT the most focused people in the world.

  • This is nothing new. Old Hoss Radbourn’s epic 60 win season of 1884 would not have been possible had he not been constantly injecting himself with ‘olde clip-clop,’ which was later found to be actual horse testosterone.

  • Doc Raker

    LBJ pitched? Was that pre JFK administration or post? DeJesus, a left handed hitter coming of a career low season. What is it with the Cubs and left handed hitters that are out of their prime? I thought Theo would be done with this farce of a parade, I yelled Uncle after JEremy Burnitz.

  • chris in illinois

    Records show that LBJ did not in fact pitch in the 1965 WS, but upon reflection I’m convinced that he would have pitched better than Koufax-cortisone. He could have taken the mound whereas Koufax couldn’t have even thrown a pitch.
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    As far as the lhbs go, are you not tired of seeing 7-8 righties flail away at the likes of Carpenter and Wainwright—-haven’t we suffered enough???

  • I am going to go ahead and declare that DeJesus is not the answer to the question of how to beat Carpenter and Wainwright.

  • flyslinger2

    Good friend of mine who is an uppity up muckitty muck in the White Sox system always says “better living through chemicals!” Even “organic” vegetable matter reacts differently in different bodies. Who is to say that diabetics (Santo) can’t enhance their performance with extra insulin, which leads to better handling of blood sugar? Should diabetics be removed from the list of those that are HOF candidates?
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    I agree with Chucks list plus Smith.

  • Seymour Butts

    Careful Swannie, Tebow may be reading.

  • Eddie Von White

    And since so many people don’t think DeJesus is the long term answer for the Cubs he should turn down their offer and quit baseball. He didn’t earn the job anyway.

  • Eddie Von White

    I told my wife that baseball players taking steroids is not any different than movie stars having “work done” to enhance their attractiveness. They are doing what they can to give themself the edge in a very competitive work place. She didn’t agree with my argument.

  • chris in illinois

    …never said the guy was the ‘Answer’, just part of a multi-part answer to the question that is: “How can the Cubs beat right-handed starters going forward?” The Cubs have previously over the last thirty years answered that particular question thusly: “Lots of right handed batters!!! Mediocre ones if you have them!!!”.
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    Does DeJesus help the Cubs get to 97 wins? No. Can he help in the quest for 86 wins and a wild card berth? Mais oui, mon ami.

  • MJ

    I think it’s pretty clear the current regime is not expecting the Cubs to contend for anything in 2012. Obviously, you didn’t get that message.
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    The DeJesus signing doesn’t do any harm.

  • Dusty Baylor

    If the Cubs can add 2 solid starting pitchers, a 3B who cant hit, and a 1B who can hit….then getting by with mediocre production and good defense from your RF is ok.

  • chris in illinois

    MJ,two weeks ago (hell one week ago), the Cubs weren’t planning on competing in 2012. The CBA changed that. Pouring resources into your minor league and international systems is no longer possible, but maybe you didn’t hear that. Having their resources in those areas limited by fiat means those resources get funnelled elsewhere or lost. The new CBA was a huge win for the big revenue teams and as the Cubs are one of them, i’m glad (in a way). I expect the Cubs to sign some guys with an eye towards 2012 and beyond.

  • Norm

    What kind of reaction will there be when the Cubs sign a ‘meh’ pitcher like Chris Capuano?

  • Chuck

    Chris from Illinois is absolutely right. The new CBA seems to discourage teams from stockpiling draft picks and getting the premium talent from the draft by offering them more than the pittance that most minor leagers earn. This may be a response from the monster contracts Strasberg and Harper of the Nats. Seeing this, Theo and company shifted gears and decided to go after proven players.

  • Chuck

    McGuire may have to find his way on my ballot. Up until looking at his numbers, I figured he was just a slugger that had a low BA but made up for it with hitting a lot of dingers. Here are his career numbers:
    .263/.394/.588 BA/OBP/SLG with a 162 OPS+, 583 HR, 12 All-Star games in 16 years, ROY, 5 top-10 MVPs (no wins), 1317 BB, 1596 K, 0.825 BB/K ratio, 63.1 brWAR (3.94 avg).
    What really has won me over was the consistantly high OBP and BB/K ratio close to 1 every year of his career. He has been added to my list.

  • MJ

    “Seeing this, Theo and company shifted gears and decided to go after proven players.”
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    And yet in another thread David DeJesus is not what some of you claim to be a proven player. You guys confuse the hell out of me.

  • Chuck

    Proven and Good are two completely different concepts.

  • Doc Raker

    Extra insulin flysinger? Insulin isn’t like an IQ, to much results in coma and death.
    * Is Dejuses worth $4.5M more than LaHair. I don’t think so. I know we need lefties in the line up I just don’t understand why we spend money on lefties who aren’t a true upgrade from what we have in the system.

  • Buddy

    I’m not a mind reader, but I’ll bet DeJesus is the exact type of player Theo and company have been considering since day one: a useful player who helps address the team’s onbase percentage and defensive problems, and who is willing to sign a team-friendly deal. The fact that he hits left-handed is even better.

  • gymjok

    I agree
    and add to the fact that its right field at wrigley(not easy to play)-
    you want a good defender there

  • Buddy

    DeJesus can also play some CF if the need arises.

  • BLPCB

    1. Glad Wisconsin lost. I just can’t stand them. I will be rooting for the Ducks in the Rose Bowl. Quack Quack. At least it’s not like football where 1 loss destroys your national title hopes
    2. Bernie, Bagwell, Larkin, Morris. McGwire will never get in in my book. Even without the doping, he didn’t have the numbers. He only had 1500 hits