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Yesterday, Joe asked who was “off-limits” if the Red Sox organization asked for players as compensation for Epstein. Most, if not all, of you decided Castro was the most untouchable player on our team. Matt Garza came in a close second.

So, along the same lines as Joe, the question is:

If you could pick one player, and one player only, to add to the Cubs’ organization, who would it be? Why would you choose him (Assume that money was not an option for the addition of this player)?

Another thought: Jerry Jones is under fire for these comments: “This game was decided right down there at the end, and I am so proud of these players, the way they competed tonight.” Apparently, the underlying message is an insult to Jason Garrett. Garrett is in his first year as head coach of the Cowboys. His play calling may have erred on the safe side, but he was trying to preserve a lead. Yes, the Cowboys were playing the Patriots, and they were only ahead by three points. It was kind of inevitable that the Pats would pull out a win with that slim of a score difference, anyway. In any situation, do you think an owner support the coach he hired, or is it fine to passive-aggressively insult him in public? Jones did hire him, after all. Is he out of line with his comments?

One last thought: Last night in one of my classes, we read an article that said college kids these days barely know more than high schoolers did fifty years ago. I am currently a college student and we look at test samples from days gone by, and I will admit, some of those questions are difficult. Old(er) people, what do you think? Is school too easy for your kids? Young(er) people, do you think college is/was too hard, too easy, or just right?

  • Buddy

    1. Do you mean one player from any team in baseball? If so, I’d say Verlander or Halladay. If you mean one player from the Red Sox, I’d say Gonzalez, Ellsbury, or Lester.

    2. I couldn’t care less what players, coaches, and owners say to the media.

    3. School probably is too easy, but it was too easy back in my day as well. Wow, I really sound like an old geezer!

  • BLPCB

    1. Any player in MLB? Give me Verlander
    BoSox: Gonzo
    2. Whatever
    3. College is overrated IMO. I learned nothing

  • Norm

    1) Give me Troy Tulowitzki. Best defenseive SS, best offensive SS. Starlin, meet second base, centerfield, or third base.

  • Eddie Von White

    1. Since players are so inconsistent, I am going to choose Nolan Ryan. Imagine what he could do for the Cubs.
    2. Owners should never take cheap shots at their coaches. Jerry Jones has made a career out of taking cheap shots at his coaches(think Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer).
    3. College is what you make it as is life. I don’t know how easy it is today, but in my day, my fellow students use to complain about all the work and the degree of difficulty, but I didn’t see it. I was married, worked full time and went to college full time graduating Cum Laude. My college degree was a spring board for success. I’m not wealthy but I have everything I’ve ever wanted in life and then some.

  • Katie

    @BLCPB – You didn’t learn anything? What was your major?

    @Norm – I like how you think. He is pretty solid defensively, and we both know that that’s my beef with Castro. My only concern with his stats is: do you think he might have a hard time adjusting to the conditions at Wrigley? His home BA was .310 vs. a .292 BA away. His away BA is better than most of Chicago’s players for the season, but do you think his good numbers might be inflated because of the favorable hitting conditions in Colorado?

  • Buddy

    Good question Kaite. Here are Tulo’s career road numbers:

    .274/.346/.462, 54 HR in 1,316 AB

  • Norm

    Probably a bit inflated. But it usually isn’t as drastic as it looks. Same fear people had with Matt Holliday, but he’s still one of the better hitters in the game. Even if Tulo put up his road numbers, he’d still be the best SS in the game.

  • Katie

    @Eddie – so you are saying that you’d skip acquiring any player you want, and you’d acquire an owner? I don’t think Nolan would want to leave Texas though. He loves it there.

  • Eddie Von White

    Katie – you’re right, Nolan would never leave Texas, but we almost had Mark Cuban!

    Last year Matt Holliday’s error kept St. Louis out of the playoffs. This year is a different story. My point, players performances are very fickle. I’m avoiding your question because I don’t think any one player will have that big of an impact. I hope Theo builds around a nucleas of players, not just one. Castro had great numbers, but do you build your team around him? My answer is no. He is one of several you build with.

  • Buddy

    ESPN is reporting that the Theo press conference will be Friday.

  • I do not pay attention to other teams, so I have no clue what other player I would want.

    I do not understand where the insult is. Given that it is Jerry Jones talking, I would not be surprised if it is an insult. And given it is the Cowboys, I don’t care.

    It is difficult to compare schools/student then and now. The one thing that I think has always been true is that motivated students find a way to get educated regardless of the quality of instruction they receive. Much of the (unmet) challenge of education is motivating the student.

  • Katie

    @Eddie – and we should have got him. He would have been a fantastic owner. Texas is keeping all the good ones! And I agree about building a team around a bunch of people, not just one player. But it’s nice to think about what who would be great to have on the team.

    @Buddy – They better be right! I’ll be watching all day tomorrow.

  • Katie

    @Rich – I think it’s easier for women to pick up on the insult, because it’s passive-aggressive and a lot of women are professionals at using/detecting passive-aggressive behaviors. Jerry is kind of notorious for that kind of thing though – he’s a bit of a jerk.
    Regarding education, once you get to college, you have to be self-motivated. Professors do not remind you of due dates for projects, mom isn’t there to tell you to do your homework, and you can pretty much do whatever you want, whenever you want. If you have no motivation to do school, you’ll flunk out.

  • Lizzie

    3. College is what you make it as is life.

    @Eddie, truer words never spoken. If you expect to get nothing out of college, that’s exactly what you will get. If you expect to learn and grow, that’s what you’ll do. You may not learn and grow in the ways you expect to learn and grow, but there’s always something to be gained from any situation. Springboard to success is exactly right. And in fact I believe it defines the college experience. If you expect it to hand you success on a silver platter, you will be sorely disappointed. But it certainly can give you the skills and opportunities to find the success you seek. This is not a billboard for college. Many opportunities for success can be found when not attending college. The point is, it’s all in what you make it.
    Well isn’t it already time for me to shut up for the day. Happy Thursday everyone!!! xxoo

  • Buddy

    Thank you Tony Robbins! Just kidding.

  • Katie

    @Lizzie – We’d love hear more from you! 🙂

  • Jedi

    Verlander or Gonzalez

  • Eddie Von White

    Rich – exactly right. Motivation is everything – and that’s the trick – how to get them motivated. It’s supposed to start at home with the parents, but unfortunately too many parents are disengaged. BTW – I can’t tell you much of what I learned in college, but I can tell you what I’ve learned since college.

  • Brad Dolce

    School – I will say I think we are as a society (in general) in the mind frame of “convenience” and how can we get the most productivity out of the least amount of work. There is a reason our educational system is ranked where it is.

    FB – As the owner (Jerry Jones) you live and die by the sword. You have the right to criticize your hire but you do not have right to blame anyone but yourself. Against the Patriots you cannot afford to be conservative as long as Tom Brady is a part of that offense. Jason Garrett should’ve known better, but who can blame him when you have someone as unpredictable as Romo as your QB who is high risk with little payoff. One playoff appearance since the mid to late ’90s does not convince me Romo is fit to even play on “Americas” team.

  • lizzie

    @Buddy that was scary. I like to think I’m better looking. 😉
    @Katie careful what you wish for. Most of the time I’m rather annoying. Heck sometimes I even annoy myself!

  • Norm

    A lot of Verlander votes.
    Weren’t there also a lot of people here complaining that Ramirez only performs in the regular season and not the playoffs, so you didn’t want him? Are any of you the same who chose Verlander?

    Why not the same criticism of Verlander regarding performing in the playoffs?

  • “Your mom goes to college”
    – Kip Dynomite

  • Allan Bendert

    Being a Tiger fan I would pick Verlander but maybe Cabera because he is consistent day in and day out. I think College is more difficult today because I think High School is harder. I think the standards for entering college are higher. I don’t think I could get into the college I attended now with the grades I had coming out of high school. And I feel that college teaches you to think and be open to more diverse opinions and opportunities so I think it is harder now then when I went way back in the sixties!

  • Allan Bendert

    Norm Verlander got two wins in the playoff and pitched in the most adverse conditions two other times I have no problem with how he did in the playoffs but you could tell he was gassed and pitching on fumes especially that third game against Texas.

  • Katie

    @Brad – I’m glad you aren’t a Romo fanboy; but I don’t agree with Jones’ approach to things. You shouldn’t publicly humiliate your own employee like that. It seems a little classless.

  • CubbieDude

    1. I’m going to go with Lou Gehrig. Because he realized that he was the luckiest guy in the world.

    2. If I’m the coach, I want my players to get all the credit when things go right. That’s how I know I’m doing my job. When something goes wrong, I’ll take the blame. Assuming I’ve got the right players, that is.

    3. Most of what I learned in college wasn’t in the classroom. And I learned a lot.
    Maybe I should say that most of what I remember from college wasn’t what I learned in a classroom. But I learned a lot there, too.

  • Eddie Von White

    Lizzie, thank you, thank you very much – not just because you quoted me excessively but because you see it and your own experience has proven it.

  • Eddie Von White

    Brad, I couldn’t have said it better. I hate it when a team plays to not lose. Tony Romo has yet to do anything that ranks him as anything less than sub-par. He doesn’t have it, period.

    Lizzie, I agree also, college is not for everyone, but it certainly opens doors that otherwise wouldn’t even be considered. Tech-schools offer quality training and good paying jobs without all the college hype.

  • Jedi

    You mean the same Verlander who had to deal with rain delay after rain delay and when it wasn’t raining he had to pitch on short rest? He is the best pitcher in the game, and as long as he’s healthy for the next five years that likely won’t change.

    At the risk of starting something, I find it very interesting that out of the entire league you picked a player who plays the only position that the Cubs have settled at this point. I hope Theo has other plans.

  • flyslinger2

    last thought: Mrs. Flyslinger2 and I are counseling anyone considering college to NOT go as a 4 year student. We are encouraging them to consider looking for work with a company that closely matches their idea for what they would like to do as their career, persue employment with that company, and go to school at the same time. Most companies pay for the employees tuition. This does two things: 1. minimizes or eliminates student loans an 2. puts income into the employees pocket. This, of course, stimulates the economy in a positive manner and greatly improves the chances of future success of the employee/student. This also gives the student the chance to tailor their curriculum to better suit their career field and work with online colleges and universities versus being saddled with one.

    Many leading economists are pooh-poohing the traditional four year mentality to the point that they are of the opinion that college may not be all it was cracked up to be as it was in the past.

    Our current economy makes it very difficult to graduate from a 4 year program and go directly into the market place. If you graduate with $50-$100K of debt, and many of my friends kids are, that’s a horrible boat anchor around your neck at a young age.

    My 3 oldest children (25, 22, and 19) are using the employment/school model mentioned above. They are all near 6 figures in income already(!) and are in various stages of completing their degrees. All debt free.

  • Eddie Von White

    Flyslinger2 – I like what you say. If the student has the fortitude to work and go to school – more power to them and to you!

  • Katie

    Verlander and Ramirez are on two different levels. Verlander is just good. Ramirez is sometimes good. It would be great to have an excellent rotation guy. I think that Theo has the competence to find our weak spots and take care of them. He’ll get the job done.

  • Norm

    Not everyone is in agreement that the Cubs shortstop position is settled.

  • Mark in Toronto

    1. If it’s a pitcher I’d go with Justin Verlander, position player I’d take Jose Bautista or Adrian Gonzalez
    2. I don’t think owners should be taking shots at their coaches, it just undermines the whole team
    3. It’s been quite awhile since I was in college, but I’d say I didn’t find all that hard, although many of my classmates didn’t feel the same way.

  • Seymour Butts

    1 Assuming you are talking about a current player, Adrian Gonzales
    2 No big deal
    3 “Kids”are definitely less well informed than previous generations. It’s no surprise the successful contestants on Jeopardy are older. I am 53 and can answer about half of the regular questions. When they have a college week, I can answer about 80%, so it’s apparent they dumb it down. Look at the surveys on world history and geography. American students as a whole do embarrassingly poorly. Now that being said, my father who is 20 years older is much better informed of such worldly things that I.
    I think the root cause it options for your time. When Abe Lincoln was a kid, he read, no baseball, no soccer (thank goodness) and no options. Ben Franklin spoke multple languages. When I was a kid I played baseball, football, and read. Kids now a days play world of war craft, face-book and read nothing longer that twitter. Too many options for entertainment is making us fat and stupid (think Bluto Blutarsky).
    Am I ranting, sure. But Eddie has a great idea about school. I spent 7 years getting my 4 year degree (only 9 semesters enrolled) as I also worked 40-55 hours a week during the entire time. If you go straight thru,and get a nerdly high GPA, you simply have not availed yourself to all that college has to offer you.

  • Seymour Butts

    Sorry.. Flyslingers idea, But I like the way Eddie thinks as well.

  • Jedi

    Sounds like another Morning Roundup – who thinks we need to address the SS position?

  • Norm

    I didn’t say the Cubs should address the SS position either.

  • Jedi

    Well either it’s settled or we need to address it.

  • Norm

    I’m answering a hypothetical question posed by Katie as to what player I can have given to the Cubs. That’s not the same as to what to do in reality.

    In reality, Castro is the SS until someone better defensively comes along. And I won’t be surprised if that happens in the next 3 years or so.

  • flyslingerl.2

    SS-Castro sparks too much offense to disregard him. He is an employee. My employees work every day that they are expected too, minus days off for vacation, sick or other earned days. He should be doing all kinds of reps., situationals and other drills to strengthen his defensive skills ON A DAILY BASIS. He should be working his butt off and someone on the Cubs staff should make sure that he is. Oh. Wait. Aren’t we still looking for someone to manage?

    Nevermind.

  • I don’t know what parental guidance I would dole out if I had a teen regarding college right now. Very few of my buddies work in their fields of study…seems like some of the guys who ended up quitting the university and getting associate tech degrees are doing better than the business dudes ever will. The cost is the crazy part. Before I got into the software game, I was poking around at physics grad courses. The last one I took was a three credit optics course, and it was nearly as expensive as my first semester in ’98. Wages haven’t increased and the job market is garbage largely…it would be tough to justify taking on debt like we all did…betting on something working out upon graduation. I had a few years pretty much payed for by scholarships, but drank enough to offset that savings. Ended up lowering my credit hour load and working my way through, and got the credit cards paid off with tons of overtime at a landscaping company. I’d love to go back to school, but unless my employer decides to send this math guy to school, I am probably done with higher ed. I still miss the physics department…

  • Seymour Butts

    @Jswanson FYI- Full time tuition for instate students at UW in 1976 – $207.

  • flyslinger2

    I think I made a grave mistake in my earlier recommendation. Based on the Republican debates, Mr. Perry’s Texas has been handing out free in state tuition for illegal aliens. I think all college age students should emigrate to Texas, declare that they are undocumented aliens and get a free ride through college. Sorry for proposing an a solution that is honorable, teaches the student responsibility, and independence.

  • Jedi

    fly – CA is ahead of TX. Out here you can get the in-state rates as well as grant money if you lack the proper documents.

  • Eddie Von White

    I’m starting to love my VFTB family. Thanks Seymour.

  • Doc Raker

    With college it is not where you start, it is where you finish. $50K for a freshman undergrad can be considered waisteful. $50K for med school is one thing, but for undergrad not so much. I like Flysingers idea of working through college, better than accumulating outragious debt for undergrad. Do you know why the cost of tuition has risen faster than inflation? Because the government subsidizes tuition and gaurantee’s loans. With the government backing student loans and granting money, Universities can charge more because students are not spending their own money. Just like health care, patients are not spending their own money, spending insurance money and government money so they spend more therefore prices go up. When people spend other peoples money they always spend more than if it was their own, therefore the sellers can charge more.

  • BLPCB

    My opinion on this is that college isn’t a place of learning, but a place where our knowledge gets “certified”. Look at Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. Neither of them have a college degree. But they are very successful and extremely intelligent. You could know everything there is to know about computers, but without a college degree, you could never be a school teacher, yet some schmuck who has a degree can be a teacher, because his knowledge is considered “certified” and Bill Gates’ knowledge isn’t.
    I shouldn’t say I didn’t learn anything. I learned almost nothing in the classroom. I did learn a lot outside, most of what I learned came in the end through an organization I joined Alternative Break. I learned about the darker side of America, how the South is still fighting the Civil War, and how welfare actually works.
    I originally wanted to do media in college, but UIC didn’t have anything to do it. It was the only school I could afford out of what I got into, and I decided I would try to transfer out, but then my dad wouldn’t let me, because he has fucked up and outdated ideas on everything, and was against me wanting to do media to begin with and couldn’t stand me being successful in what I wanted to do and not what he wanted me to do.

  • Seymour Butts

    BLPCBEIEIO ,
    Although some college programs may be certification or validation of what you already know, that’s not the rule. Many lines of study offer book learnin beyond what you come out of high school with. Not only would nobody let me do what I do with out the experience of higher education, more importantly, I wouldn’t know how with out it.
    You get what you put into it. But I will agree there are some majors that don’t really provide you with much more than you had going in.

  • BLPCB

    I do believe a lot can be learned outside the college classroom. There is a lot more to life than school. But too many people in our society believe that the source of knowledge is much more important than the actual knowledge itself. I never found what I want to do in college. I have found it from life-guarding. And I get criticized by my parents for doing it.
    Because they have these traditional fucked up views on everything. All they care about is grades. Even when I got good grades, they were unhappy with me because I was doing other things in school like swimming. At one point, we had a fight and they wouldn’t let me swim senior year until I threatened to run away from home.
    There is a lot more to college than just classes, but my parents will never get it. My brother (who I don’t care about and don’t talk to) calls home every week crying about his classes because of what my parents have tried to drill into his head after seeing me fight them every step of the way.
    I have never been given the opportunity to take the classes I want to do things I want to do with my life. There is much more to life than just math and science which my parents tried to drill into my head all the time, and were unhappy with me even when I got good grades. My dad was a control freak, and turned everything into a big production and would explode if I got a couple of problems wrong or didn’t do things his way. So I stopped involving him in my work all together, and fended off his phony attempts to help without making it a big production.
    My parents don’t get it that you don’t need a college degree to be successful, or you don’t have to use your degree. To them this is about doing what they want, not what I want. When I was one class short of a history minor, my dad said it wasn’t a good idea to get it even though everyone else said it was, yet when he made me go for the CPA, he said go for the other certificates too, even though everyone else said it’s not worth it, he said I don’t care, you’re getting them. Forget it. I’m never taking any advice from my dad ever again.
    I have found what I want to do working as a lifeguard, and I fully expect my parents are not going to support what I want to do. They were against the job to begin with. I got it because I was tired of Domino’s and wanted to do something else. I figured this was going to be a pit stop, but I have come to absolutely love the job. I don’t care about accounting anymore. I’m flunking my accounting classes this term, I’ve got my internship at Disney, and when I come back to Chicago, I am going to tell them I have figured out my life, to study recreation management in grad school. This 1500 I’ve spent on tuition and books is the best 1500 I’ll ever spend in my life because it got me into the Disney College Program. I just need to figure out a way to get rid of my parents and pay for grad school. If I stay on with Disney, that would be great, but if not, I might have to consider the military.

  • Whoa, BPLCBPBR… you should pursue a phych degree.

  • Seymour Butts

    So…. how about those 25 foot waves on the lake the other day? Great life-guarding opportunities I imagine.

  • Katie

    Looks like you learned a valuable lesson already. You shouldn’t pursue a career that you hate, because it will be a burden to you. Do what makes you happy. For me, it’s teaching. And I have to go to school for that. I don’t agree with everything they teach about teaching, but some things need to be taken with a grain of salt. Just because a professor teaches you something, doesn’t mean that it is right. It’s OK to question what people teach you. Professors, politicians, parents; they’re all people. People aren’t perfect.

  • BLPCB

    I questioned a lot of my teachers and got in trouble for it. As a society, we have too many teachers with big heads who think they have the right to be treated like the King of England, and we try to rationalize their actions bc they are in power. Screw that. I had a teacher who tried to discredit my Econ books written by Krugman and Bernanke. Economics 101 that is, the basic concepts of economics, not theories. This teacher also wouldn’t let me write a paper on why college football needs a playoff bc I took sports Econ, even though college was not covered in it. When I got excited about doing big things with the paper, he said no. I should have gotten mean and told him fuck you I’m writing it. I should have taken a stand.

  • Katie

    You could have, but then there’s the issue of choosing your battles. Would it really be worth fighting your professor about a paper? He might just give you an F on it because he doesn’t like sports, even if you had a good paper.

  • BLPCB

    Gregory Watson stood up to his teacher and his work eventually led to the 27th amendment to our Constitution. College is about using our creativity and innovation, and teachers like him stifle it and are causing this country to decline and why the Chinese are kicking our ass in everything. Those who aspire to do big things usually do them if given the chance. Homer Simpson’s quote, ” Trying is the first step towards failure,” should be a guiding motto for everyone. Because you can’t fail if you don’t try.
    Jswanson – not interested. I had to see several physcologists over fights with my parents, didn’t work, they all lied to me, didn’t change anything at home. And I got yelled at at home for the things I said. I even walked out on one. Another one I refused to see after being lied to, my parents made me see him, so I just covered my face with my jacket and gave him the finger the whole time.

  • BLPCB

    Yes it would have been worth it bc I didn’t want to write about something else. Why does he get to decide what is geography related? He listed on the topics, economic impact of the Olympics is acceptable. I was like this is a very serious issue because tax dollars are involved and athletics drain funds from academics at most schools.

  • BLPCB

    I didn’t need the class for graduation. I had my degree, I was finishing up a minor and some other things that term.

  • Jedi

    BLPCB – I would also say that we’ve got a bunch of kids who think they understand how the world works and are consequently too proud to listen to the wise advice of our more seasoned citizens. I’m not saying that’s you…as open as you’ve been, I just don’t know you well enough. But for every stodgy old professor who is set in their ways, we have plenty entitled petulant youths.

    By the way, the most basic economic theory taught by Krugman is toxic…the man is an emotionally charged, ideologically driven crazy person. You may have an argument with Bernanke, but Krugman’s “theory” is a complete waste of time.

  • Switch to math…wholly binary: valid or invalid.

  • flyslinger2

    Both Bernanke and Krugman should be walking the plank for what they have done to our economy. There is nothing more powerful and impactful then the free and unrestricted trade of services and goods. If there is a restriction on a service or good it is because someone that isn’t competitive has convinced someone else that they could be if the playing field is leveled. Hmmmm. Sounds like mediocrity rules the day if that continues. Our economy has been taking it in the shorts lately and a large part of it is due to the meddling of non-producers in a world that they know nothing about.

    I have been in business for almost 30 years. The last 3 I purposefully went from 50 employees to none specifically due to Obamacare. I changed my business model to sole source consulting and I bill out as a Subject Matter Expert in the IT industry. I buy my own health insurance (yes it is affordable, available to ANYONE, and tailorable to your needs).

    The “O’s”, college age kids that wholly subscribed to the “Hope and Change” mantra and started the grass roots change are now the ones who could be sabotaged by the economic meddling. It is now widely believed that the results of the current economy could keep the O’s from possibly ever being able to amass enough money to retire. Their income earning potential has been trashed.

    My 5 kids were taught at an early an early age that life is not fair (in fact I refer to fair as a 4 letter word) and that they get out of life exactly what they put into it. They don’t need someone else leveling the playing field for them.

  • BLPCB

    The books they wrote have nothing to do with theory, but basic economics. Supply and demand, how the curves work, opportunity cost, absolute and comparative advantages, collusion, things like that. This is the stuff he tried to discredit. I listen to my elders, but they need to rationalize it. My 7th grade history teacher was able to change my views on education funding the last couple of years by challenging me to think things through on the matter and explaining it. He didn’t just say you’re wrong I’m right like my geography teacher tried doing.
    Life isn’t fair, but in other countries college is taken care of by the government. In this country you need money to get ahead. Someone could have the will and know-how on how to make a company extremely successful, more than it is right now, and just needs a college education to get the tools to do it, but if he can’t afford it, he can’t go to college and do it. Taking care of college pays off down the road.

  • Geography is not up for interpretation…it is what it is. Purely a classification system. I suppose you could argue the whole Burma / Myanmar thing, but that is about it.

  • Eddie Von White

    BLPCB – you seem to have issues, but we love you man and I think VFTB is good therapy.

  • BLPCB

    Yes I have issues with jackasses like that teacher. Everyone hated that teacher. I still have this email he sent, showing just how much of a dickwad he is:
    The majority of the people who responded claimed that the PowerPoints, lecture outlines, and study guides were useless and unhelpful. I truly am sorry for this. I gave you this material to help you and give the class some structure. I am sorry that the endeavor failed. So, as a result, I will no longer be distributing PowerPoints, lecture outlines, and study guides for the remainder of the semester.
    Really? Did it ever occur to you that maybe there is a reason why it’s useless? Because all you do is put images on your powerpoints?
    All people do is attempt to rationalize the actions of teachers because they are the teacher and I am the student. Why does that automatically make the teacher right? I had a teacher who thinks the population of China is half a billion. And if a student were to correct him, he would be like you’re wrong. How do you rationalize that?

  • Doc Raker

    Success in life isn’t about winning battles with others, it is about being the best you can be. Bitterness and anger is not helpful. I think you guys are talking about different Krugman’s. There is a Paul Krugman who is an unhinged certifiable liberal lunatic that writes for the Washington Post and I believe there is another economist named Krugman. I could be wrong, it could be the same person, wouldn’t be the first time an unhinged liberal was featured in University academia.

  • BLPCB

    The only Krugman I know of is Paul and he writes for the NYT. Again this is economics 101 he wrote, the concepts that liberals and conservatives would agree on, like externalities, or what makes up GDP. Basic stuff, not advanced stuff. Can you give me an answer to my previous question?

  • Jedi

    Raker, it’s the same guy. He’s a Keynesian on steroids. More than once in the last six months he’s been pimping the idea that what the economy needs is a stimulus program double the size of the first Obama monstrosity.

  • Jedi

    BLPCB – he fundamentally doesn’t understand practical economics, he only understands economic theory…much of which is utterly useless because it ignores the behavior of a free market and instead assumes that you can legislate a free market – which you can’t.

    I wouldn’t trust Krugman to set aside his bias long enough to explain the concept of an allowance to a child…his ideology is poisonous and seen in everything he writes, no matter how innocuous the subject matter.

    By the way, I’m sure that’s why you feel as though you’ve learned very little in college – theory is often useless. And yet most professors spend the overwhelming majority of their time teaching theory. It’s useful to the extent that it explains something, but practical experience and reality is a far greater teacher. Some of these people have never lived in the real world, simply teaching theory their entire lives; the accumulation of knowledge doesn’t make them wise.

  • Doc Raker

    What question BLPCB? Exactly Jedi- understanding theory doesn’t make you wise. There are always exceptions to rules as we know from baseball and wisdom is understanding those exceptions, not understanding blind theory.

  • Doc Raker

    So economics 101 is so basic even an unhinged Keynesian Marxist like Krugman can’t even screw it up. Jedi- It boggles my mind how someone can actually think borrowing more money can help the economy. But like Harry Reid said the other day, private sector jobs are fine it is public sector jobs we need to grow. Really? More police, firefighters and teachers will grow the economy? How do they produce wealth? Unbelievable.

  • BLPCB

    Doc – My question about my teacher who thought China’s population was half a billion. Yes theory is useless. My parents would be in that population also. Because my mom is a math teacher and my dad a physics professor.

    How does giving LeBron a tax break produce wealth? Because he won the genetic lottery and is cashing in on it?

    But yes I agree, what an idiotic statement. Firefighters and police I can somewhat agree with, you do need more protection in a recession, because crime does go up, and people go crazy and do crazy shit like burn their house down to collect insurance.

    Unfortunately, too many people buy this into this crap. How does paying teachers more make them more effective? Does it somehow increase their knowledge? Until I got my Disney internship my mom kept hounding me about using Oakton to get a job, most of her blabber I ignored, like most of the stuff she says, talking about all this wonderful stuff Barry is going to do, like he’s the god who can walk on water, cure cancer and shit ice cream. Do people realize giving more money to community colleges doesn’t work? They are already affordable. Just lifeguard or flip burgers for a year and you have enough to get a degree from a juco. Education always has and always will be an investment, but these days it is becoming an investment with increasingly lousy returns.