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The Off-Limits List

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The question today is short and sweet. If you didn’t see the news the other day and haven;t really been following the Theo saga, the Red Sox asked the Cubs for Matt Garza for compensation, which the Cubs refused.

Who is on the list of players in the system, Major or Minor League, that would be off limits even if it meant that if you said no that Theo would not be coming to Chicago? Give us your list.

  • Buddy

    Off the top of my head…Garza, Castro, Soto, B. Jackson, and maybe J. Baez.

  • Buddy

    Different discussion of course, but just on principle the Cubs shouldn’t have to give up anybody on the 40-man roster if they don’t want to.

  • Katie

    Castro and Garza. There are some others that I would keep to the side as a last resort, but these two would definitely not go anywhere.

  • lizzie

    Oh how I love a short and sweet post. Not that I wrote many, but I do love them! Anyway, my list is short and sweet too. Castro and Garza, like Katie said. Anyone else including (swoon) even Soto – sayonnara. Sorry boys. Love you, but the culture change is way more needed than any other current player. Though I do agree with Buddy that the whole roster swap shouldn’t even need to happen. But if it did, that’s my list!

  • Chuck

    I would balk at any significant player/prospect for Theo. Why? Because the Red Sox are clearly behind the 8-ball on this because thaty have a GM that clearly wants to be gone. Would you want a GM in place that really does not want to be there? My guess is that neither would they. The Cubs have nearly all the leverage in this and they need to use it.
    That being said, the Cubs don’t want to insult them start making dispariging remarks in the media because they will have to deal with htem at some time in the future. All sports are very insular groups where you have a very limited number of trading partners. It is best not to completely alienate one of them.

  • Norm

    Castro, Garza. And MAYBE Soto.

    Buddy, Baez can’t be traded for one year after signing the contract so he’s safe until next August (well, technically February since he can be a ‘player to be named later’ which has a time limit of 6 months)

  • Buddy

    Didn’t know that. Thanks Norm.

  • Mark

    Castro, Garza, Soto and Jackson. I’ve been hearing way to much about him to let him go to Boston.

  • Chuck

    If you really want to bun a bridge, offer them a Grade Z prospect and $1M as a take-it-or-leave-it offer. Then throw in the comment of “Good luck with a lame-duck GM who does not want to be there. Hope he has your best interests in mind, just like you have his.” The Red Sox would have to fire him or put him on “Administrative Leave” at that point.

  • Katie

    Why is everyone keeping Soto? Even Lizzie would give him up, and that’s really saying something. He has not been very good the past couple seasons. We don’t have many options for our catchers, but none of them is that impressive, Soto included. I’m sure Theo could find somebody to fill his place. Not many could take Castro’s place (at least not for a decent price) and Garza is the best pitcher in our rotation, and it would be hard to find anybody at least as good as him for a decent price. I just don’t understand the infatuation with Soto. He’s replaceable.

  • lizzie

    Well, just to be perfectly clear, I’m willing to give up Soto for THEO. I’m not looking to replace Soto. This team has bigger fish to fry than replacing a serviceable catcher.

  • I say we keep Fonzie until 2014 at least.

  • CubbieDude

    Buddy, I’m with you – time to tell Boston they’re gettin’ nobody. Nobody & nothin’.

  • Joe

    My List:

    Starlin Castro
    Matt Garza
    Andrew Cashner
    Brett Jackson
    Matt Szczur
    Josh Vitters

    If you want anyone else, have at em.

    I have to wonder if the Cubs have offered to accept bad contracts instead. I’d love to take a chance on Carl Crawford or John Lackey if it meant we could keep talent in our system.

  • BLPCB

    Joe, I’d rather take on Lackey than Crawford, because he has 6 years and 120M left on his deal. I’d like to see Soriano for Lackey swapped, with the Cubs covering the difference, about 10M.
    I’m with CubbieDude and Buddy though. I’m hating the Red Sox more and more with every passing day

  • Doc Raker

    I offer them no one, a nobody or Norm. I don’t see where Boston has any leverage. Boston has burned the bridge with Theo so what can he really do for them, and if he is put in limbo for the next year he could covertly consult for the Cubs. If the Cubs just sit pat they will get there man one way or another.

  • Eddie Von White

    We could offer them fried chicken and beer in the locker room in exchange for Theo. BTW – did you see where those two Congressmen have introduced a bill that would outlaw chewing tobacco during the World Series? What next? I say toothpicks should be outlawed and those who use them – not that they will ever be in the W.S. anyway.

  • Jedi

    Castro & Garza…anyone else is fair game.

  • Norm

    @Katie, Soto had a bad 2011. His 2010 was pretty darn good. If he puts up numbers like that in the first half, he is a VERY valuable trade commodity.

  • Allan Bendert

    Castro and Garza. Probably Vitters

  • Seymour Butts

    As I laid out a few days ago, and is echoed by Chuck, Cubbie Dude, Raker and Eddie, they get no actual human ballplayers. I would give up no one, they are all untouchable for the purposes of acquiring Theo.
    If the Red Sox say no dice, Theo takes a year “off” where he moves to Chicago and spends his days doing whatever he wants with out a contract. If it so happens that what he wants is to sit in an office in Wrigley Field and make phone calls and pontificate all day, so be it. Then he gets a nice x-mas gift from the Ricketts family. Boston can’t force him to show up at Fenway if he doesn’t want to. The good old US of A is not yet a police state, just drifting that way.

  • Jedi

    The league would step in at that point Seymour – just like Selig will try to broker a deal if after the WS the Red Sox are still being unreasonable.

  • Norm

    If Theo wants his $8 million, or whatever it is, he’ll do what Boston says so long as it doesn’t conflict with his contract.

  • Doc Raker

    The Nanny State wants to outlaw chew at the World Series? Really? This is what you get when you give government more power than the Constitution allows, tyrannical social engineering all with good intentions.
    Seymour’s mentioned police state is usually in regards to military dictatorships but the extreme left can become a police state of it’s own. Be careful in supporting the seemingly good intentions of the leftist police state and the slippery slope of government intervention for it can one day take your lifestyle away from you.

  • Chuck

    This is where the RSox have zero leverage. Theo can show up to the office in shorts and a T-shirt and gut fish a la Office Space, offer crazy trades via twitter, quadruple park in the owners parking spots, etc… until they are forced to fire him if he wanted to. In a normal job, he would just give his 2-weeks notice and quit. In a job like his, they don’t want to take the chance that he is slepwalking through his job so they just mutally agree to part ways.

  • Seymour Butts

    What a great idea Chuck. Theo can stay in Boston this season and trade the Cubs Adrian Gonzalez for a bag of balls and 2 cans of tuna. He would have his walking papers and his salary about 5 minutes after that.

  • Seymour Butts

    Ok..Chowder, not tuna.

  • Buddy

    Catchers who can hit are very hard to find. Soto wasn’t great in 2011, but he’s been amoung the best offensive catchers in baseball in the past. That’s why I would hang on to him.

  • Buddy

    I meant “among.” Dammit!

  • Eddie Von White

    “When players use smokeless tobacco, they endanger not only their own health, but also the health of millions of children who follow their example,” the senators wrote to union head Michael Weiner.

    The letter was signed by Dick Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, and fellow Democrats Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Senate Health Committee Chairman Tom Harkin of Iowa.

  • I hope Weiner has the balls suggest they get f***ked.

  • Lizzie

    I hope Weiner has the balls suggest they get f***ked.

    He does, I’ve seen them. Oh, wait, that was a different Weiner.

  • Chuck

    With all the things happening in the world and to our economy, I am glad they took the time to tackle this. What a bunch of morons. Why don’t they….

    Again, resisting the urge to go on a rant…

  • Buddy

    Much appreciated Chuck. We’ve had more than our share of political rants at VFTB lately.

  • Joe

    Seymour,

    I believe it’s spelled “Chowdah”

  • BLPCb

    Seymour – Why stop at Gonzo? Why not unload Bozo and Soriano, pay for Gonzo’s contract and throw in a half billion to fix up Wrigley?

  • BLPCB

    No politician is focused on fixing the economy. Every politician is focused on winning their next election.

  • Doc Raker

    Absolutely BLPCB, a politicians job is to get votes. Unfortunate but true.
    Brilliant idea, let Theo stay in Boston and trade us all the assets for our bad debts. Kind of like Dallas Green and the Sandberg throw in on the Bowa for Dejesus trade.

  • BLPCB

    This is why we need term limits on all our politicians. How come you can only be president twice, but a lifer in Congress?

  • Katie

    Trying to ban chew? That’s absurd. They can’t just ban it from the WS. The kids that watch the WS also watch the rest of the season, too. Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Chew is as much of the game as anything else.

  • CubbieDude

    I understand chewing tobacco is bad for your health.
    For my part, they don’t have to outlaw chewing tobacco. Just outlaw spitting. Yuck – disgusting!

  • BLPCB

    Chewing tobacco and spitting go hand in hand. And they spit even without chewing. I spit all the time, and did so while playing baseball. My mouth was always dry from playing outdoors.

  • Katie

    @CubbieDude – really? no way! I thought fiberglass and and nicotine were good for you… huh.

    If you outlaw chew, you better outlaw the crotch-scratch, too.