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Thought #1: Sean Payton got taken down in the first half of Sunday’s game, resulting in a torn MCL and a fractured shinbone. He was taken into the locker room just before halftime and did not return to the sideline. The Saints lost their play-caller, and went on to lose the game.  Maybe coaches should get a little more recognition for being the finishing piece to every team. You could have all the talent in the world, but without good play calling, they will not flow like a well-oiled machine. Do coaches deserve a pay raise? I think so.

Thought #2: The Red Sox are under fire for letting some of their players drink beer and eat fried chicken in the clubhouse. Jon Lester got a little worked up, and ripped the Boston media for making the accused players look fat and lazy. Yes, the Sox had the worst collapse in history. Was the collapse of the Sox really the fault of a delicious combination of food and drink, or was it because they played badly? It couldn’t be in part because the pitching staff acquired a 5.84 ERA in the month of September, could it? Beats me.

Thought #3: The World Series starts on Wednesday. Frankly, I do not care who wins or loses. Yes, I have “friends” that are fans of St. Louis. Yes, they are obnoxious. If the Cardinals win, the Cubs will be average at best next year. The Cardinals have earned their way to here. St. Louis is an excellent ball club, and they have built themselves to where they are now. The Cubs have a ways to go before they will be a solidly good team. The fact that St. Louis is a solid ball club does not make me dislike them any less. It makes me dislike them more. Why is it so hard for the Cubs’ leadership to figure out the formula? But I digress. Nolan Ryan is predicting that the Rangers will win the Series in 6. Is he far off with his prediction?

Thought #4: The Packers and Badgers are still undefeated. It’s great to be a Wisconsinite these days.

  • Buddy

    As Jon Lester said, these same pitchers were drinking beer and playing video games (on off days) when the Red Sox had the best record in baseball. Is it a bad idea to drink during games, even if you’re not scheduled to pitch? Yes. Did that behavior cause the Red Sox to blow their September lead? Of course note.

  • chet

    “Why is it so hard for the Cubs’ leadership to figure out the formula?”

    Because the leadership has never had a formula, which brings us to Mr. Epstein and why his signing will be important.

  • Chuck

    1) Do coaches deserve a raise? I think a few million dollars to coach football seems like a good deal to me. Coaching baseball this year probably cost be a couple hundred dollars. I find it extremely hard to get worked up over millionares getting “taken advantage of”.
    2) If you are a starting pitcher that is not scheduled to pitch, it does not really matter what you do. You won’t impact the game at all. That being said, is it too much for a player to act like a professional?
    3) I think the Rangers are the better team in almost every facet of the game. However, anything can happen in a seven game series.
    4) Mozeltov!

  • BLPCB

    Its up to Dallas to rescue us again the way the Mavericks did in the finals vs. the 3 stooges. Go Rangers
    Go Packers, Boo Wisconsin. Go Spartans and Go Buckeyes

  • Norm

    Win, and the beer, chicken, and video games is called “good chemistry”.
    Lose, and it’s a major problem.

    2004 playoffs, they did shots of Jack before the games…no one cared because they won.

  • RocketRyne

    What a pitcher does on his off days is just as important as what he does on game days. If you’re drinking beer and eating fried chicken instead of going through a strict strength and conditioning program, there will be consequences. That said, I doubt they were completely skipping off-day workouts, but if they couldn’t be bothered to watch their own team play, I’m sure it’s possible they weren’t putting 100% into their workouts.

  • Eddie Von White

    Lester said he occassionally drank a celebration beer in the 9th inning when victory was immenient. Even so, beer drinking should not be taking place in the Club house.

  • Buddy

    Norm nailed it. When you win, reporters applaud that kind of behavior and call players like Kevin Millar “a throwback.”

  • Buddy

    And this outburst was 100 percent predictable. I’m just surprised it took this long…

    http://www.suntimes.com/8271457-417/ozzie-guillen-fires-on-white-sox.html

  • Eddie Von White

    Katie – it’s always nice to know what’s on your mind.
    # 1 – I hope the NFL doesn’t start making the coaches wear pads and helmets. They get hit harder than Tom Brady and they don’t even cry like he does. He is the personification of a wimp.

    # 2 – Lack of discipline at all levels makes a difference in the win/loss column. Have you ever seen a player rip Tony Larussa? Yes, I have, and they are not around next year (Scott Rolen).

    # 3 – I love Nolan Ryan and I love baseball. Here’s hoping to a great W.S. The only Cardinal I have an ounce of like for is Chris Carpenter. He looks exactly like one of my childhood friends.

    # 4 – Living in the Cheese state is awesome this time of year.

  • Buddy

    I’m no Tom Brady or New England Patriots fan, but I’m certain he’s not a wimp. Neither is anybody else who plays in the NFL.

  • Doc Raker

    I am a big Texas Ranger fan right now, I do like Nolan Ryan and his no pitch count philosophy. Nolan’s 7 no hitters will never be matched.

  • Doc Raker

    Exactly Norm, when the Red Sox did a shot of JD before WS games and they won they were Cowboy heroes. Beer is in every club house, it isn’t a big deal.

  • Katie

    @Eddie – I like Ryan Theriot, too. And I agree with your positive sentiments toward Carpenter, but only because he didn’t let Nyger Morgan get in his head.

    @Buddy – It might not be a question of his physical toughness, but it seems more a question of his attitude. It seems like if a defensive player so much as breathes on him, he gets worked up if a flag isn’t thrown. I hate the “Tuck Rule” and I hate the “Brady Rule.” Both of those came into effect because of Tom Brady. Sure, his ACL got torn because he got hit below the knee, but it has happened to numerous QBs in the past, and no one thought twice until it happened to Brady.

    @BLCPB – I find it amusing that you still are a fan of Ohio State even though they are bad this year. Didn’t you switch allegiances when the Bears got beat by Green Bay in the championship game? Maybe you should follow suit with your college teams this year…

  • Chuck

    Katie, Katie, Katie… Article I, Section 1, Subpart A of the Sports Fan Constitution cleraly states “… being a fan of a team is not subject to win-loss records or quality of play on the field, court, rink or other facility where the team plays…”
    As a Cubs fan, I thought that this was understood.

  • BLPCB

    Katie – the reason for my switch is much deeper than that. I got fed up with the idiocy.

  • Katie

    @Chuck, I understand it. I wouldn’t be a Cubs fan if I didn’t 🙂
    Some of us, though, might need to read the handbook again…

  • Allan Bendert

    Saturdays comin’ my dear, Saturdays comin!

  • Seymour Butts

    Fried Chicken and Beer is a fine snack…for those who sit in their wife beaters and jockey shorts at 4 in the afternoon in their single wide. Not for athletes. Too heavy (even light beer). You can debate if baseball players are athletes, but hey have become so over the last generation or so.
    Be a Ranger fan for a week I mean the alternative is pretty bleak.
    Sean Payton finished the game coaching from the press box. Probably was distracted, but was still calling the shots.

  • Buddy

    I’m sure the Rangers pitching coach uses pitch counts. I know the media has built up the legend of Nolan Ryan and how he “doesn’t baby” his pitchers, but that too has been exaggerated.

  • chris in illinois

    In the playoffs at least the Rangers haven’t needed to monitor pitch counts seeing as how they’ve averaged barely 5 innings per start.

  • mrbig

    Tom Brady is a wimp. Why did the NFL pick him to be babied? Bill Belicheck (as much as I don’t like him) is the brilliance behind the Patriots, and can make any quarterback look like an all star (see Matt Cassel)

  • Doc Raker

    I am sure they are aware of pitch counts in Texas. The difference in is the minors, most organizations are slaves to pitch counts, pitchers are only allowed so many in an outing. My understanding is in the Texas system minor league managers are not tied to strict pitch counts.

  • Buddy

    I’m not saying it’s right, but leagues protect their stars. Jordan, Bird, and Magic certainly got “babied,” if that’s what we’re calling it, and Kobe does in today’s NBA. Brady and Manning get special treatment in the NFL. Lots of A-list starting pitchers get favored in MLB. Gretzky in the NHL. Etc.

  • mrbig

    @buddy, I agree, but Brady, and in the NBA LeBron, not only get special treatment, but get very angry when they don’t get the special treatment. Every time Brady hits the turf he looks to ref in disgust if there isn’t a flag thrown. That’s being a baby about it.

  • Buddy

    They all throw fits when they don’t get their way. You ever see Greg Maddux when he wasn’t getting calls? (Granted, that didn’t happen very often.) Peyton Manning bitches at officials for 60 minutes. And how about Michael Jordan? I watched him punch Reggie Miller once, and Miller got ejected.

  • BLPCB

    Regarding why I quit being a Bears fan and switched to the Pack: This is going to be the last time I post about this

    I was a Bears up to the end of the 2009 season. When Lovie Smith was not fired, I quit. I did not become a Packers fan after they knocked the Bears out, my original plan going into the 2010 playoffs was to become a fan of whatever team knocked the Bears out. But once Bears-Packers was the matchup, I scrapped that plan and made the switch because the stupidity just got out of hand. In 2006, I said Grossman needs to be benched, and I got flamed to no end. It got so bad that I had to shut down my facebook account for 2 weeks. In 2007, I said Lovie was a bad coach and needed to be fired, I said Angelo is a bad GM and has to go. Got flamed again, people telling me to piss off, they got the Bears to the Super Bowl last year. I started rooting for the Bears to lose so they’d get fired, people said you’re not a true Bears fan. 2009, everyone wants Lovie gone, and he probably is if the Vikings beat them on MNF, yet this town goes nuts like they just won the Super Bowl, keeping Lovie from getting fired. This is when I quit.

    Then last year, fans called for Lovie to get an extension after they made the playoffs. It was at this point I lost it and made the switch. I will never go back to the Bears because of the idiocy of the fans. My other teams might do stupid things, but most people agree with me on what should be done, so that’s why I am still a Cubs and Buckeyes fan

  • BLPCB

    Reggie Miller probably deserved to be punched in the face. I remember when he shoved Jordan out of the way to hit the game winner on Memorial Day in 1998, and no foul was called. Plus he was the ugliest player to ever play the game. I’m happy he never won a ring.

  • Katie

    @BLCPB – That’s legit. I was just giving you a hard time. 🙂

  • BLPCB

    I used to hate the Packers as much as I hate the White Sox. I would talk trash about the Pack with my 8th grade science teacher all the time. When I switched over, he was the first person I told. I still hate Favre though.

  • Eddie Von White

    Way to go BLPCB! The teams should earn our loyalty. The Cubs have always been fan based which may be why they haven’t won in 103 years, but I never grow tired of them and my hope in a W.S. victory has not faded. Our day is coming…

  • BLPCB

    Eddie, yes it is. Some day, some day soon, we will win a World Series. And not just one. The White Sox might have broken their drought before we did, but they got lucky in 2005, and have only won 1 playoff game since.

    Regarding loyalty, I would not have quit being a Cubs fan if Hendry was still the GM and Ricketts earned clown status. Because most Cubs fans wanted him gone, and I wasn’t getting flamed for my calls to fire Jim Hendry the way I was for the Bears. Bears fans are the dumbest fans in the NFL.

  • mrbig

    @Buddy, how come Manning doesn’t get rule made about neck related injuries? Or Maddux get a rule about a bigger strike zone? Michael Jordan, yes he glorified the travel.

  • Buddy

    I don’t know. Is that the measuring stick for whether or not players bitch? In any case, Maddux didn’t need a rule to get a bigger strike zone because he got a bigger strike zone.

  • mrbig

    It makes it more irritating. The league says “here we’ll make rules especially for you.” and thats still not enough, he needs more more more. In the words of Ray Lewis, “the only way we can tackle him (Brady) is if we cuddle him to the ground.”

  • Buddy

    I certainly understand what he means by that. QB’s can barely be touched in today’s NFL. Plus, who in their right mind with argue with Ray Lewis? That’s a good way to get stabbed.

  • BLPCB

    Even in my Madden game the rules are nuts. The QB would bump into my defender, and I would get called 15 yards for roughing the passer. A simple bump. I got fed up with it, so I turned off the roughing the passer penalty. Now whenever I play, I drill the QB every chance I get. Same with roughing the kicker. It’s great, I’ve knocked out quite a few QBs and kickers with it

  • Katie

    @Allan – getting ready to get beat tonight? 😉

  • BLPCB

    WOW! WHAT A GAME!!! MSU ruined Wisconsin’s national title hopes, OSU will take care of their BCS hopes next week. Ruining other teams dream seasons feels waaaaay better than trampling them when you are ranked top 10. 3 weeks ago after we lost to Michigan State and Wisconsin trampled Nebraska in their Big 10 debut, I fully expected Wisconsin to destroy us next week. But after we wrecked the Illini’s perfect season and Michigan State did the same to Wisconsin, I feel confident in my prediction for a win again.
    All of a sudden we’re right back in the hunt to play for the Big 10 championship. We need Illinois, Nebraska, or Wisconsin to beat Penn State, and we need to run the table. Bama and LSU are off next week, but then play the following week. Oklahoma and Wisconsin lost today. If the Bama-LSU winner loses later in the season and Oklahoma can clear out Oklahoma State, just maybe we will finally get Boise State into the national title game.

  • Katie

    I couldn’t believe it. Wisconsin will bounce back. It was only 6 points – it’s not like they got destroyed. We’ll see how the rest of the season goes.

  • BLPCB

    Wisconsin can’t play every game at Camp Randall. They are not going into the Shoe and coming out with a win next week.