Cubbiedude chimes in with a video review of…a video.
I'm a third generation cubs fan, living in southeastern Wisconsin.
The Cubs let Maddux go? I understood that the Cubs offered Maddux more money than the Braves did, but Maddux went to the Braves believing they were more likely to get to the Series. What were the Cubs supposed to do?
That is my memory of the situation too. This is why I will always dislike Maddux. He was the best pitcher they had and he betrayed the Cubs, and by extension, me. I woul dhave understood if he left for money. However I clearly remember him saying that he left the Cubs for the Braves because he “I want to go to a team that could win.”
If this happened today I would not care as much because I am an adult and I understand. But as a kid it just made me hate him. Now it has subsided to a dislike of all things Maddux. I still hate the Braves.
On another slant, I will not watch this or anything else Ken Burns does. As a Chicago baseball fan, I was insulted by his opus. That should have been titled NEW YORK/BOSTON BASEBALL and to hell with you rubes. The coverage of the greats Stan Musial and Hank Aaron and so many others along of course with Ernie Banks was simply wrong for a supposedly inclusive series.
I hated that series so badly that I will not watch Burns’ historical pieces. No matter how good some people think they are, I doubt their accuracy. He was wrong with his one-sided approach to baseball.
I do agree about Maddux, though. I thought 31 should be retired for Fergie Jenkins. Maddux in my mind was a Brave. No hate, and no love for Himes, but a real feeling that Maddux made his career elsewhere on his own volition.
Ordered the whole series from Amazon on a great deal before Christmas, but have yet to crack the case on it. Can’t wait to dig in, even if it is biased.
While I enjoy this series, it’s hard to believe that the only mention of the Cubs in the entire series (keeping in mind the Cubs are the oldest franchise to remain in same city) is Babe Ruth’s called shot, Sammy Sosa, and Steve Bartman. That’s it!
Oh, and some mention of the early Chicago franchise that was necessary only because if you mention Spaulding, you have to mention the franchise. I also thought it was awkward to spend so much time in the tenth inning talking about Latinos in baseball like it didn’t happen til the 90s, when in actuality it was because they forgot to mention it when they covered the earlier decades!
I watched the first 5 innings about 4 years ago by renting them….purchased the newly packaged set this past holiday season and plan to watch it starting again from the start in March….as a celebratory kick off to the 2011 baseball season.
Rick, Burns’ historical pieces are very accurate. I still watch the Civil War whenever it’s on. It’s some of the best Public Television ever created.
I suppose we can be pissed at Maddux for choosing the Braves as a better career path to World Series’…but you can’t say he was wrong. It was a pretty shrewd manuever by him and his people. With him, the Cubs would have been better, but we can’t assume they would have been the dynasty that the Braves were.
I bought the boxed set about 8 years ago and watch it about every other year in the spring. There is coverage of the 1906-08 Cubs, but agree it’s Yankee/Redsox-centric. Still hard not to like the images of the early years of the greatest sport. Saw the 10th inning last fall, it’s still on my DVD.
Maddux was not treated well by cub management in the mid 90’s and that played a big part of his decision to look south. He’s a Cub at heart, and as I learned last week, has a signature not even a doctor can read.
I was crushed when Maddux left for Atlanta, but I certainly couldn’t blame him for doing so.
Re: Maddux, here’s what I remember: Maddux got tired of waiting for Larry Himes to make him an offer and didn’t believe Himes knew what he was doing. He took a lesser offer from the Braves because of those two things. Anybody else remember it that way, or is my memory just demonizing Himes?
I remember Maddux wanting to be signed and the Cubs dragging their feet and somehow alienating Maddux and others. My memory says the Cubs offered him a similar dollar amount only after the Braves made an offer. Of course my memory could be wrong. Sandberg’s record breaking $7M a year contract could of been partially due to appease the Cubs fan base after screwing the pooch with Maddux.
Does VFTB have a fantasy baseball league? If so, any openings?
Hello folks. Once again, thanks for watching, and thanks for commenting.
I’ve got one eye on the SuperBowl while I’m typing this, so I apologize in advance for any typos &/or breaks in concentration.
Rich Beckman: I wasn’t there, so I don’t really know what happened. But Maddux was with the Cubs, and then he wasn’t with the Cubs anymore. So, as far as I’m concerned, they let him get away. What were they supposed to do? Make him an offer he don’t refuse.
Chuck: I, too, am not a big fan of the Braves.
Rick Beato: That’s your choice, but, like I said, I enjoyed it.
MoondogKP: I think it’s time to break into that puppy.
DvN: You’re taking this way too personal.
Chet: Sounds like a plan.
MJ: I have enjoyed the “Jazz” series, and “National Parks”, too.
Cap’n Obvious: Scott Boras was the agent for Greg Maddux. i don’t blame him for seeking (and getting) what the market would bear. Mr. Maddux won the Cy Young award 4 years in a row. He won at least 15 games 17 years in a row. I’ve gotta respect that.
Seymour Butts: I can’t even read my own handwriting anymore. Of course, that doesn’t make me a great pitcher, but at least Maddux and I have that in common.
Buddy: That’s what I’m talkin’ about! Mike Maddux has said of his younger brother’s competitive spirit: “If he couldn’t win, he didn’t want to play, plain and simple!”
M.DM.B: Moving forward from that point in time, I’ve heard a lot about Greg Maddux, and I haven’t heard much about Larry Himes. You may interpret that however you choose.
Doc Raker: The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Buddy: I’m afraid I can’t answer that one. I’ll defer to Mr. VFTB, Joe Aiello.