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Who is this masked man?

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Orton

I’m starting to wonder what the heck is going on – Cutler put up solid numbers in Denver last year and Orton was mediocre at best. Switch the guys around and the numbers reverse. One QB looks like an over-achiever, the other is a very talented guy who seems to make mistakes. So what gives? Normally I don’t like to blame coaching, unless it is totally incompetence like we saw with Johnny Baker. Take the Titans – they are the laughingstocks of the NFL but I’m not blaming Fisher as much as I am the team (which doesn’t seem to care too much) and a tight-fisted owner.

But in this instance I have to wonder if Ron Turner is way out of his league. And what the heck are the Bears doing staying with Orlando Pace at left tackle after four games? This guy is clearly nearing retirement age, he holds all the time and he gets confused by cadence.

The Bears are still in the hunt only two losses behind Brett Favre and the Vikings. So all is not lost, despite injuries in the linebacker corps this team still has a chance. We just need smarter and better production from the offense.

  • cubbiedude

    It’s amazing what a quarterback can accomplish when he’s “protected”. Kyle was not touched by the Chargers last night. He looked comfortable in the pocket, and was able to do his job.

    I’m looking forward to watching the Broncos (and the Colts, Saints and Vikings) as this season progresses.

    I’m afraid the Bears may have suffered one too many injuries this season.

  • MJ

    And what the heck are the Bears doing staying with Orlando Pace at left tackle after four games? This guy is clearly nearing retirement age, he holds all the time and he gets confused by cadence.

    One would say that if you only watched Sunday night’s game. Pace has been his usual future Hall of Fame self thus far. Clearly he jumped at an inopportune time, but that was hardly the reason the Bears lost. Red Zone turnovers, no running game, and a linebacking corp that is missing too many links.

    Oh yeah, last I checked, the Bears were in the top ten in offense/points scored. RESEARCH!

  • MJ – don’t let facts get in the way. It makes things difficult.

    It is pretty difficult to make a judgment about Cutler when he is working behind an awful offensive line.

  • rob

    There is no comparing Cutler and Olson…even now. Orton does what he has always done. He keeps you in games and doesn’t make mistakes. He is surrounded by very good receivers, has good protection and has a very strong defense. He is in a perfect system for him. But he is not one of the elite quarterbacks in the NFL.

    Cutler is. He makes better throws than any Bears QB I have ever seen- or heard about. He can carry your team to a win. He has a weak line, and unproductive running game, mediocre or immature receivers…and the Bears could have won every game.

    The Turner hate is confusing to me. It seems that he gets the best out of what he has. Almost all of the Bears offensive records were set with Ron Turner as coordinator. And as said the Bears have some of the top offensive numbers in football- with a weak offensive line, unproductive running game, and mediocre receivers.

    It kills me that people can’t understand that sometimes you lose to better teams. Sometimes your personnel is not as good. Sometimes you don’t have good enough players. And who gets the blame? The coaches. How do we decide when we blame the coaches (Turner and Smith) or when we blame the players (Milton Bradley e.g.)? Seems arbitrary to me.

  • cap’n obvious

    For those who have read this before, I apologize, but Dave and Matt, either of you I am sure would be more than welcome to post some original thoughts, rather than constantly picking apart others’ original material. You really do come off like a couple of nit-picking bungholes.

  • Joe

    I blame the players for that loss. Two fumbles in the red zone and poor passing that leads to picks by Cutler. If you wanna play with the big boys, you have to produce on the big stage against good teams. Two games on National TV and two busts for the Bears.

  • MJ

    For those who have read this before, I apologize, but Dave and Matt, either of you I am sure would be more than welcome to post some original thoughts, rather than constantly picking apart others’ original material. You really do come off like a couple of nit-picking bungholes.

    One thing I learned quickly here, when I used to post (and I might again…..maybe), is that you better back up your opinions with some cold hard numbers. Posting nothing but opinions, and pure speculation, especially when there are stats that clearly refute your opinion, will get you no where.

    It’s really not that difficult to simply go to NFL.com and look at offensive numbers and rankings, before making statements like, “We just need smarter and better production from the offense.” Or, “And what the heck are the Bears doing staying with Orlando Pace at left tackle after four games? This guy is clearly nearing retirement age, he holds all the time and he gets confused by cadence.” When clearly, Pace has been very good thus far. One mistake at a bad time, does not make his season.

    Matt “Bunghole is not the worst I’ve been called.” Jacobs

  • For those who have read this before, I apologize, but Dave and Matt, either of you I am sure would be more than welcome to post some original thoughts, rather than constantly picking apart others’ original material. You really do come off like a couple of nit-picking bungholes.

    Thanks for the original thought and for the insight you have added to the conversation. It is much appreciated.

    FWIW, Orton has been better than Cutler this year, based on several different stats (QB rating, yards/att, etc…). But that doesn’t factor in the awful running game and the awful offensive line play that the Bears have had this year.

    I know I sure wouldn’t give away Cutler for Orton right now…

  • If you wanna play with the big boys, you have to produce on the big stage against good teams. Two games on National TV and two busts for the Bears.

    Maybe… but FWIW, the Bears were very much in both games, both on the road, and had an opportunity win each game.

    I would hardly call Sunday night a bust – they lost by one score, and had an opportunity to tie the game, against a very good Falcons team on the road. I am really not sure how that could be called a bust.

  • Joe

    I call them busts because on both occasions, they gave the game away. It shouldn’t have come down to that last drive. We should have scored the possession when Forte fumbled on two straight carries.

  • Seymour Butts

    The Bears are not as hopeless as seems to be portrayed here. As pointed out, they have only lost 2 road games that they were in very late. None of these teams are perfect, and the Vikes could be at the same record as the Pack and Bears if not for a couple of plays. What is nice is that these 3 teams seem to be at or near the top of the league, and that is all a fan of any one of them can ask for. The Lions on the other hand… were they ever good?

    It’s better to be a Nit-picking bunghole than a Bung-picking Nithole.

  • Mastrick

    A “top ten offense” does not a Super Bowl team make. Pace has looked bad on several plays in several games, they beat him on the outside and it’s a wonder he hasn’t piled up more holding plays than he has.

  • MJ

    A “top ten offense” does not a Super Bowl team make. Pace has looked bad on several plays in several games, they beat him on the outside and it’s a wonder he hasn’t piled up more holding plays than he has.

    You’re right, a top ten defense usually seals the deal.

    So wait, you’re going to down grade Pace, and say he should retire because he should have more holding penalties? He doesn’t have them, but he should have them. What sense does that make?

  • MJ

    It’s better to be a Nit-picking bunghole than a Bung-picking Nithole.

    Damn straight.

  • BuckeyeCub

    Ron Turner doesn’t know how to coach. He hasn’t opened up the playbook since we got Cutler. He is so bad, he makes Marty Ball look like the spread offense. At least the Broncos take chances. 3rd and 8, what does Turner do? He calls for a dump pass short of the sticks. What does Denver do? They run a play past the sticks, because they realize that if the pass is incomplete, they’re going to have to punt anyways. The field position argument is a bunch of Gregg. Wow, what’s 3 yards going to do? Make them drive 76 yards instead of 73? WOW!! Big gain! Every game that passes it becomes more and more obvious that Griese did call those plays on his own 2 years ago. Ron Turner does not have the intelligence to call that kind of drive. Ron Turner is an expert at destroying QBs. He could make Brady, Manning, Brees, Favre in his prime, or Rothliesberger into a bunch of Gregg

  • cubbiedude

    I was reading the comments above regarding facts and opinions, and I was reminded of this quote which I came across lately. I offer it for your consideration.

    I’m not taking sides here. I got no dog in this fight. Here’s the quote:

    “Facts are what pedantic dull people have instead of opinions. Opinions are always interesting. Facts are only the scaffolding, the trellis up which bright opinions grow.”
    A.A.GILL (Taken from: “If Ignorance Is Bliss, Why Aren’t There More Happy People?” by John Lloyd and John Mitchinson).

  • MJ

    ^ Yeah, if you use facts to form your opinion. That’s the issue at hand.

  • Mastrick

    Another issue is inflammatory posts which are not collegial in nature. Let’s agree to disagree agreeably.

  • MJ

    I see no inflammatory posts.