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GirlieView (09/25/2009)

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So this morning I attended a 90-minute presentation on the current state of Health Care Reform. It was a fantastically informative presentation and I thought I’d share it with all of you because I know how important this information is to you …Kidding! I did attend the presentation, and it was fantastic, but it’s not an off day! 🙂

So, let’s move on to this week’s Cubs. Lou said he wants an RBI guy next season. What’s on your wish list? Share with us and as usual I’ll keep tabs and report back.

Lizzies (note new “Weekly Winner” designation. In addition to the list of Lizzies, I’ll pick my very favorite each week. Might have to come up with a new catchy name for it (any ideas?) but for now Weekly Winner will do!)

  • Definitely Brown sugar cinnamon.
  • As I see it, there is some truth in what everybody is saying, and there’s a lot of bullshit on both sides.
  • Don’t go away mad, Milton. Just go away.
  • I don’t think I ever said the Cubs and Bradley would be skipping hand and hand, to the soundtrack of Hair.
  • I think he is being made a scape goat. At the same time he is able to be made the scape goat because of things he has said.
  • I go with my gut.
  • I just had to add this unrelated note, my spellchecker came up with “irregardless” for regardless. Somebody shoot me.
  • What about those of us who believe the both character and stats matter?
  • Should he be back next year? No. But in all honesty I’d say he is just a blip in the reasons this season went south quickly.
  • Soriano is not likeable. At least not in my eyes. He’s lazy.
  • On the upside, the grandson, now 27 months, is doing pretty well betting college football.
  • And, the Weekly Winner: Too bad we can’t have these “discussions” over a beer.

Have a great weekend everyone!

  • Making the GirlieView list just once is at the top of my wish list. After that, some sort of Cadillac joke each week. Then, getting to see Zambrano pitch just once when I go to the game, it’s not happening this year. Ugh. Finally, Adam Dunn is on my list.

  • MJ

    Yay! I won!

    The Lizzies are the best part of the week. They should come in Grey Boxes!

  • Seymour Butts

    Guess what… This post is now the high light of the view.
    But I do wish that “next year” we have more exciting things to talk about.
    As for naming your favorite quote, how about giving out a Lizzie lolly-pop. or rate it on the number of lolly-pops. I would be very impressed to see little flashing lolly-pops behind each quote, as that is well beyond my computer skills.

  • How about instead of lolly pops use cadillacs, or the cadillac hood ornament. Everyone will be looking to get that 5 cadillac post.

    Wish list:
    1) An in shape Calos Zambrano who actually pitches when in trouble verse just throwing harder.
    2) Jake Fox at 2b with Ryne Sandberg’s skilz.
    3) Harden closing or out of town.
    4) Dlee to stay hot!
    5) Aram healthy.
    6) Baker staying hot and being for real.
    7) 2008 Carlos Marmol
    8) 2008 Geo
    9) 2006 Soriano
    6) Lilly, Wells and Marshall in the rotation.

  • cubbiedude

    I suppose referring to the weekly winner as “The Cubs Blue Max” would be out of the question.

  • Mike

    Adam Dunn!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Why the hell would you want Adam Dunn? He would not do well under pressure, just like Milton Bradley. Adam Dunn strikes out way too much. That would not bode well for the Wrigley faithful. The fans would get all over him. Milton is a great hitter, it’s just that when the fans started booing he felt a lot of pressure and did not just perform well. And I think this Milton Bradley situation is awful. Milton Bradley is a great hitter. If he goes somewhere else this offseason, I see him returning to old form. The fans got on him after just two weeks. Guess what? All hitters go through streaks like that. It just so happened that Milton’s came at the very beginning of the year and the fans got on him. Let’s say Milton came out of the gate strong and then went into a two week slump in the middle of the second month of the season. I do not believe that the fans would be on his case like they were. The situation was not right. The fans didn’t even give him a chance to rectify himself. They were booing him since the second week of the season. I really don’t care if he comes back or not, I just believe that he was treated unfairly.

    At the top of my wish list: CHONE FIGGINS

  • Why do I want Adam Dunn? Because he is a fucking beast, that’s why. He is one of the most disciplined hitters in the game. Bringing back DeRosa is also on my list, you sign him and get Dunn, move Soriano to 2B, get Soto off the munchies and this is what you could have:

    Theriot – SS
    Fukudome – CF
    Lee – 1B
    Dunn – LF
    Ramirez – 3B
    Soriano – 2B
    DeRosa – RF
    Soto – C

    Pretty much the 2008 lineup, sans the 2-headed monster in CF, plus Adam Dunn. I think some of the underachieving players we’ve had will rebound in 2010. Soriano won’t return to 2006 form ever, that was a career year, but if he can play like he did in April the entire year, that would be good. I still believe Soto will return to 2008 form as long as he stays off the munchies, and I think Fukudome will return to his first half 2008 form as well.

    I don’t want to see Soriano lead-off at all. I don’t give a fuck if he is “comfortable” leading off, because you know what, get “comfortable” hitting wherever the manager tells you to hit. I wish more coaches would be like this. Like when we traded away Eckersely because he didn’t want to be a reliever, and he was traded to Oakland, LaRussa wanted to use him as a reliever as well, and said you’re going to be a reliever and I don’t care if you don’t like it. Or like when the Nats threatened to put Soriano on the disqualified list when he refused to play OF. /endrant

  • That lineup would produce a lot of Cadillacs

  • Mike

    I feel that Adam Dunn would be a downgrade over Milton Bradley. Bradley has a much better lifetime average than Adam Dunn, with about half the strikeouts. Adam Dunn is an all or nothing player. He either hits the ball out of the ballpark or misses it. We need a guy that can keep a really going. Bring Chone Figgins in. He plays third now, but his natural and best position is second base. We put Figgins in at second and leave Soriano in left. If we can get rid of Milton, go back and make a big attempt at DeRosa. If we can’t get DeRosa, I am content with having the same lineup next year, with the exception of the addition of Chone Figgins.

  • I don’t think Dunn would be a downgrade. He has a very good OBP and very good discipline at the plate

  • Doc Raker

    Sherm
    Where do you stand on Terrelle and Mike’s discusion between Bradley and Adam Dunn? Adam Dunn played for the Red’s for a few years and now plays for the Washington Nationals, just in case you are not familar with him.

    Just curious.

    I would have to go with Adam Dunn due to his HR’s and RBI. If you walk 100 times a year, hit 40 jacks a year, drive in 100 and hit 280 I don’t really care how many times you strike out.

  • Thank you Doc, that’s is exactly how I feel, except my reasoning has to do with his OBP and plate discipline. You know who is #1 on the all-time strikeout list? It’s Reggie Jackson. Yes that’s right. The same Reggie Jackson known as Mr. October. You want to know what his career batting average was? 262. His OBP? .356

    Adam Dunn is the same way. He has a .250 average and a .384 OBP. You need to look at how the strikeouts occurred. Are they the result of a lot of deep counts and just swings and misses like Dunn, or are they the result of a wild swinger with no discipline who swings at 30-40 foot curveballs like Soriano or Sosa? More reasons why Dunn rocks: In 2005, he hit 40 HRs with a broken hand. He is also the only MLB player to ever hit a HR that landed in another state. And there is a facebook group for him, titled Adam Dunn could probably hit a homer to Tennessee if he swung really hard

  • MJ

    You need to look at the HRs. Are they meaningless, or when the game is on the line.

  • I find the whole clutch thing bullshit.

  • I feel that Adam Dunn would be a downgrade over Milton Bradley. Bradley has a much better lifetime average than Adam Dunn, with about half the strikeouts.

    Who knew that people still use batting average to evaluate players?

    I was (and still am) a Bradley supporter. But mike, if you are just basing this on offense, Dunn is an upgrade over Bradley.

    Of course, the Cubs don’t get to use a DH, so you can’t just base it only on offense. And Dunn in RF at Wrigley would be really, really scary.

  • I find the whole clutch thing bullshit.

    Heh… good luck with this one. 🙂

  • Screw defense. I want some fucking runs!! The offensive upgrade Dunn would bring over Bradley would more than make up for the defensive downgrade. Under my proposal, Soriano would play 2B, Dunn LF.

    As for the clutch thing, why is he only bringing it up for Dunn and not Bradley?

  • Under my proposal, Soriano would play 2B, Dunn LF.

    Oh my. That defense would be awful.

    So you would have really bad defenders in LF and 2b. You would have bad defenders at SS and 3b. You would have mediocre (at best) defenders at C and RF. You would have an above average defender playing out of position in CF. And you would have a good (but aging) defender at 1b.

    That would very likely be one of the worst team defenses in baseball. It would be really ugly. And it is not anywhere close to reality.

  • MJ

    Aren’t the Cubs at the bottom of team defense already? 😆

  • sherm

    The only time I want to see Soriano near second base is after a double or a stolen base. Good Lord, not defensively. I honestly would rather see Doc Raker play 2b than Alf.

    Soriano playing second reminds of Pedro Guerrero’s greatest line. When asked what he thinks before a pitch, he said “I think two things. First I think “please don’t hit it to me.” Then I think “please don’t hit it to Sax.”

    We don’t want an infield that causes us to pray for fly balls, and with Theriot at SS and Soriano at 2b…I’d do just that.

    I’d be willing to suffer a year of Dunn’s OF defense to see how he’d hit between DLee and Aram.

    Note to Terrelle — appreciate your passion, but we do our best to watch our language on this site at the request of and out of respect to Joe. Suggest you substitute the word “Gregg” for the “F” word. It works just as well.

  • Kris

    I think it has been well established that Soriano should not be playing second base. I’ve never heard anything positive about his time there.

  • Terrelle Pryor 2

    My apologies on the language. I did not know about that. I find it all a bunch a garbage that you don’t want these bats because of their defense.

  • Terrelle – this isn’t fantasy baseball. Defense matters. And when you have someone like Dunn anywhere, or Soriano at 2b, it will really hurt your team.

  • Fox should be our second baseman next year. He just needs some work in the offseason and he should be fine. LaRussa would make it happen. Look to see Fox playing 2b in winterball somewhere.

  • MJ

    Fox should be traded for a second baseman.

  • Mike

    We don’t need Dunn. I am not completely bashing Dunn. I know he is a player that can give you 40+ home runs/year. However, I think we already have enough players that are capable of doing that. Don’t get me wrong, you can never have too many home runs. However, I feel we need a guy that can sustain a rally. Sometimes, I’d rather see a clutch double with runners on 2nd and 3rd rather than a home run with runners on 2nd and 3rd. I feel this keeps opposing pitchers on the ropes. Also, you need a batter defensive outfielder than Adam Dunn, especially in the tricky winds at Wrigley.

  • Fox should be our second baseman next year.

    I would rather have Soriano at 2b.

    Fox would be a complete and utter disaster, and his offense (especially as the league continues to adjust to his holes) would not make up for it. And pitchers would hate it.

    He just needs some work in the offseason and he should be fine.

    Fox has had years to work on his defense, and he has not been able to be “fine” yet. What makes you think that one season of winter ball would change that?

    LaRussa would make it happen.

    What makes you think that LaRussa would make it happen? Because he did it with a (completely) different player?

    My thought is that ARam should move to first and then become the best hitter in baseball history. LaRussa would make it happen.

  • I think I remember many people saying Fox could not play 3rd base when Aram went down and he proved he could play 3b and should have the day after Aram went down. Had Fox been put at 3b immediatley following Aram’s injury the Cubs may be in a playoff spot.

    The Cubs have plans to give Fox a shot at second, like it or not. Sure Jeff Baker might be the front runner for 2b within the organization for 2010 but Fox might give him a run. He’s got range, that is obvious to anyone.

  • However, I feel we need a guy that can sustain a rally.

    Do you know how you sustain a rally? By not making outs. Adam Dunn, if he came to the Cubs, would immediately be the best on the team in not making outs. And you don’t think that sustains rallies?

    Strange.

    I think I remember many people saying Fox could not play 3rd base when Aram went down and he proved he could play 3b and should have the day after Aram went down.

    If you would be comfortable with Fox playing 3b everyday for your team, I am not sure what to tell you. Just because he didn’t kill the team in the few times he played there doesn’t mean he could or should play there more. And 2b demands better range than 3b. And Fox simply doesn’t have it.

    Had Fox been put at 3b immediatley following Aram’s injury the Cubs may be in a playoff spot.

    You think that Fox would have meant 5+ more wins than Fontenot/Miles/Blanco/Freel? Really? This year Fox has 1.1 WARP (wins above replacement). Yet somehow you think he would have meant 5 wins? Interesting.

    The Cubs have plans to give Fox a shot at second, like it or not.

    Says who? I have not seen anyone from the Cubs organization say that they have plans for Fox to play 2b.

    He’s got range, that is obvious to anyone.

    Huh? Jake Fox has range? Are you serious?

  • Do you know how you sustain a rally? By not making outs.

    DING, DING, DING, DING, DING!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!

    The rally killing HR is overrated. I would rather have the 3-run HR from Big Donkey than the 2-run double from someone else. I think Mike comes from the Joe Morgan and Dusty Baker school of thinking in that walks are overrated. So what if Dunn has a .250 batting average? You do realize that walks don’t count towards your # of At-Bats. Therefore, he has a smaller sample size, meaning he makes less outs. I wish MLB would eliminate batting average, then people could see through different eyes who are the best hitters in the game. There is so much that is flawed with the thinking in baseball

  • cap’n obvious

    Huh? Jake Fox has range? Are you serious?

    classic

  • Where is he getting this information from? Dusty Baker?

  • Has anyone of you actually seen Jake Fox play 2b?

    Jake Fox played a fine 3b in Aram’s absence and many on this board did not want Jake Fox brought up from AAA due to his lack of defense.

    I like the Cubs giving Fox a look at 2b. I may travel to the winter league to see him play 2b.

  • Mike

    OK, maybe I shouldn’t have used the word “sustain.” However, I still believe in what I said. I still like the the 2-run double to keep a rally going, as opposed to a 3-run homerun. A 2-run double keeps the opposing pitcher on edge. A 3-run homerun lets the opposing pitcher cool down, basically start over, and let him go back to the wind-up. If a base hit is hit, the pitcher still has something to worry about. Also, Adam Dunn strikes out 25% of the time and about one-third of his at-bats are strikeouts. And, he also doesn’t walk all that much. He only walks 17% in his plate appearances.

  • Care to give us the league average? Because the numbers don’t lie. His OBP is very high, better than a lot of .300 hitters

  • sherm

    And, he also doesn’t walk all that much.

    He’s walked 112 times. ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE! Tied with Albert for the most in the NL. Probably in baseball…I didn’t look.

    That’s more walks than Milkit had hits.

    There are times when that two run double leads to…a two run inning. The three run homer leads to at least a three run inning. Therefore, I choose the three run homer over the two run double.

    Hey Doc — how about this? Trade Theriot to Washington for Dunn. Put Dunn in rightfield. Keep Milton and put HIM at second base. Fox can play short.

  • I still like the the 2-run double to keep a rally going, as opposed to a 3-run homerun.

    I do too. If I am the pitcher giving up the runs.

    Also, Adam Dunn strikes out 25% of the time and about one-third of his at-bats are strikeouts.

    So?

    And, he also doesn’t walk all that much. He only walks 17% in his plate appearances.

    Hahaha. You do know that that is higher than any Cub this season, right? You also know that he leads MLB in walks, right?

    I have no idea why you are using batting average or strikeouts to try and bash Dunn. You are just not being logical.

    Dunn is one of the best power hitters in baseball, and is also one of the most patient hitters in baseball. He can’t play defense, and that is an issue. But to sit there and continue to pretend that Bradley is not a good hitter is just plain silly.

    By the way… this year Dunn would at the following ranks on the Cubs (among qualifieds):
    BA: 4th
    OBP: 1st
    SLUG: 2nd
    OPS+: 2nd
    Home Runs: 1st
    RBI: 2nd (on an awful team)
    2b: 3rd
    Walks: 1st
    Total Bases: 2nd
    Runs Created: 1st

    I could go on, but Adam Dunn would immediately be one of the top 1 or 2 hitters on the Cubs.

  • MJ

    Also, Adam Dunn strikes out 25% of the time and about one-third of his at-bats are strikeouts.

    Is he striking out 25% or 1/3 of the time? This one makes my brain hurt.

    Do any of you still watch the games? Jake Fox is being eaten alive. They’ve found the holes (note plural) in his swing. He’s looked awful the last two weeks.

    And Doc, his defense at 3B was acceptable. I wouldn’t want it there a full season. Let’s not go overboard.

    Then again, TRADE DERREK LEE!

  • If we trade Derrek Lee, there is an opening right there for Adam Dunn to play 1B

  • Kris

    I’m enjoying the fact that this board is now much like the Cubs’ coaching staff. Let’s forget about a backup for Aramis and/or Derrek or filling in the blanks in the outfield and get Jake Fox playing second! Because we don’t have enough guys to play second right now?

  • Seymour Butts

    Sorry, I must have missed something… did some one say Jake Fox at second base? Brilliant! What we have had there is not producing offensively, and how bad could his defence be? I mean Chuck Knoblock played 2b. You could roll a garbage can out there and see if a few ground balls fall in it and have equivalent defence (though garbage cans have notoriously bad arms).
    Now if we could just find a back up for 3b, SS, 2b, we could have a very productive infield.
    I love it.

  • I mean Chuck Knoblock played 2b.

    Awful, awful comparison.

    Chuck Knoblauch was one of the better defensive infielders in baseball. All of a sudden, late in his career, he got the “yips” and couldn’t throw to first anymore. And they stopped playing him at 2b.

  • The infield should be Aram, Jeff Baker, Jake Fox and DLee from 3rd to first. The outfield should be Soriano, TheRiot, Fukudome from left to right and Hendry’s next left handed hitting flop to mix in. Maybe Hendry will go to the European Eastern Block to uncover the best left handed hitter in the Prague League. I would like to see TheRiot in CF for winterball, maybe he and Jake could play on the same team.

    I am not saying Jake Fox is a great second baseman, I am saying he deserves a shot at playing it and I think with some practice he could do it. I agree his holes are being exploited right now but he can make adjustments, it looks like he needs to recognize the off speed pitch and lay off, easier said than done, see Patterson, K., Soriano, A.

    They said Cal Ripken was too big to play short stop. Rick Ankiel was a pitcher a few years ago. Skip Schumaker played the OF since he came into the league in 2005 until this year, now he plays 2b for the 2009 NL Central Champion St Louis Cardinals, puke. Babe Ruth started his career as a pitcher, 94 wins worth of pitching before becoming an everyday player.

    You have to have an open mind and recognize that these ballplayers can grow past your expectations. It won’t happen everytime but with Fox’s power making sure all avenues have been exhausted before trading him would be worthwhile.

  • I never thought of TheRiot in CF. That’s something to look into.

    BTW – Is anyone looking for a ticket to tonight’s game? I’m selling my bleacher ticket for $50

  • Hey Doc — how about this? Trade Theriot to Washington for Dunn. Put Dunn in rightfield. Keep Milton and put HIM at second base. Fox can play short.

    Funny, keep Milton. Can you imagine what Milton would do playing 2b everytime someone came in to break up a double play. He would be so angry all the time, and God forbid if a white guy actually takes him out on a double play, it will be all about how the opposing base runner hates black people. ‘Bunch of racist base runners, what is this league, the KKK’ I can hear him now.

  • MJ

    Jake Fox for President.

  • Kris

    The infield should be Aram, Jeff Baker, Jake Fox and DLee from 3rd to first. The outfield should be Soriano, TheRiot, Fukudome from left to right…

    Why are we now flip-flopping infielders and outfielders? Fox plays a decent outfield or third. Theriot plays a decent shortstop (for those of you who disagree, just play along for a moment).

    We have Fukudome, Fuld, Johnson, etc. for centerfield. We have Theriot, Baker, Blanco, Fontenot, etc. for short and second. Why would we suddenly flip them into spots they have no experience at? What is the logic?

    Why don’t we also put Derrek Lee at catcher, because he is well-known for being able to grab bad throws in the dirt. So catcher should be a cinch for him.

  • Seymour Butts

    And Soto could go to first, I think he’s done that a few times.
    And while were at it, why does Aram automatically need to stay at third? It’s only the last few years that he’s become good at it, he used to be clumsy, go put him at short, and let them all learn new positions. Depmster has been a starter, then a closer, and a starter again. Why not try him in Left field and move Alf to back up catcher?
    Let the grey boxes rain.

  • Seymour Butts

    I just clicked to Fox sports and guess who’s name came up…Chuck Knoblauch! seems he’s a better offensive player that defence. How bizarre.

  • The infield should be Aram, Jeff Baker, Jake Fox and DLee from 3rd to first.

    Wait… now not only do you think that Fox can play 2b, but that Baker can play SS?

    The outfield should be Soriano, TheRiot, Fukudome

    And that Riot can play CF? You don’t remember that experiment a couple of years ago with Theriot? Not pretty. This would be very, very ugly defense. And it would lose a lot of games because of its poor defense.

    You have to have an open mind

    This isn’t about having an open mind. This is about being honest, and being connected with reality. Your defensive lineup isn’t anywhere close to reality.

  • While we’re at it, people should wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people!

  • Ok, maybe TheRiot in CF is a stretch, but I like the Dlee at catcher theory then we can put Fox at 1b and keep Baker at 2b. Soto can be a backup C, 1b and 3b.

    Maybe Soriano can catch and Fox can play LF, would that make any of you defense first people happy?

    Why are we now flip-flopping infielders and outfielders? Fox plays a decent outfield or third. Theriot plays a decent shortstop (for those of you who disagree, just play along for a moment).

    Just Cause.

    It’s going to be a long off season, I hate when the off season starts before October.

    Go Blackhawks!

  • would that make any of you defense first people happy?

    What “defense first people” are you referring to?

    I haven’t seen any of those types around here.

    There is a huge difference between “defense first” and saying that defense matters.

    But once again, instead of dealing with what people are actually saying, you distort things and make things up.

  • Relax Dave, it was tongue and cheek. Would Soriano catching really make anyone who is concerned about defense happy?

    When I coach a team I place a great deal of importance on defense so sometimes I even fall into the category of defense first. It isn’t meant as a derogatory name.

  • MJ

    Deep breaths, Dave. Doc is being silly.

    Besides, Lee could never catch, he’d hurt his neck on the first pitch.

  • I agree but sounds something different.