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Derrek Lee Trade Discussion

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He’s everyone’s favorite whipping boy (well, maybe not everyone, but certainly a lot of folk). He’s struggling to hit his weight and has a slightly younger rookie out performing him.

Enter: The New York Mets

New York Mets slugger Carlos Delgado will have arthroscopic surgery Tuesday on his right hip, and there’s no immediate word on when he might return to the lineup.

The Mets, who entered Monday leading the NL East by a half-game over Philadelphia, said Delgado has a bone spur and a torn labrum in his hip. Team spokesman Jay Horwitz said no timetable for Delgado’s return will be decided until after the operation.

New York Yankees star Alex Rodriguez had surgery in early March for a torn labrum — cartilage that lines the hip socket to stabilize and cushion the joint. He missed exactly two months. (Source)

They have Fernando Tatis to play 1b, but he is by no means a natural at that position in the field. Considering that division is probably the best in the NL with the Phillies, Marlins and Braves all projected at above .500 seasons, perhaps it becomes apparent to Omar Minaya to make a move to shore up that position. Carlos Delgado is a free agent after this season and is 37 years old. Perhaps a move to get a little younger at the position would help. Derrek Lee would fit that need in three areas.

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  1. Age (Lee is four years younger)
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  2. Contract (Lee is signed through next season)
  3. Fielding (Lee still provides very good hands at the position)

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Now before you go commenting that Derrek Lee has a no-trade, I know this. Part of the fun with blogs is to discuss things. Let’s assume for the sake of argument that Lee would wave that clause. Would you consider dealing him to the Mets and do you think the Mets would be interested? What would you want in return? Would you feel comfortable with Hoffpauir at the position on the fulltime basis?

  • Trading Derek Lee would be terrible for the Cubs. Sure he is not hitting that well right now, but he still gets pitched at like he’s a power hitter. Having him in our line-up, gives Ramirez and Bradley better chances.

  • silk

    No, I would not deal Dee-Lee to the Mets. That would strengthen a very good possible competitor for the wildcard or in the postseason.

    I’m not sure how much they can get for Lee at the moment. He’s 33, and his offensive numbers show a rapid decline…probably more than he’s really fallen. I think you’ve got to ride it out.

  • MJ

    2004 28 CHC .278 .356 .504 .860
    2005 29 CHC .335 .418 .662 1.080
    2006 30 CHC .286 .368 .474 .842
    2007 31 CHC .317 .400 .513 .913
    2008 32 CHC .291 .361 .462 .823

    Will someone please show me where this “rapid” decline is??????

  • Seymour Butts

    NO go from me too.
    DLee is from Sacramento, as most of us Sherm boys know, you go west. Very few individuals who move over their lives do so from west to east. It’s just nicer out here and Dlee knows it. So assuming he would waive his no trade, it would likely only be for the Angels, or Dodgers. He’s no dummy.
    If he had no such clause and could be shipped anywhere, I would want it to be to some team that has no chance of winning, as I think he’s still above average for a 1B man.
    We are likely to need both he and Hoffpauir the way the injury bug is going.
    Let’s trade for DeRosa.

  • Mark Strickler

    It’s obvious that the Cubs won’t re-sign Lee after 2010, it might be in Derrek’s best interest to trade him now and give him an opportunity to showcase his talents for a team that will need a quality first baseman and New York is one of those teams (Delgado ain’t no spring chicken.)

    SF is another good destination – Derek plus a quality prospect such as Ascanio for Matt Cain would be a great trade IMO. Cain needs a change of scenery, he would give us much more bang for the buck than Peavy and he would get one thing that he doesn’t get now – run support.

  • MJ

    Allow me to be Dave today. 😆

    It’s obvious

    How is obvious?

    Will someone please show me where this “rapid” decline is??????

    Will someone answer this question?

  • Mark Strickler

    In response to the previous poster Lee would have to take a significant pay cut to come back in 2011; even if he did we’d get more production methinks from the tandem of Hoffpaiur/Jake Fox than from Lee/Hoffpaiur. With considerably more bang from the buck too.

    Assuming that Harden stays healthy and productive he’s going to require a significant raise to stay. Should we let him go in order to keep Lee? The money has to come from somewhere…

    Insofar as Lee’s progress (or lack thereof) let’s take a look at his OPS numbers:

    2005: 1.080
    2006: .842
    2007: .913
    2008: .823
    2009: .696 (YTD)

    And homeruns/at bat:

    2005: .077
    2006: .049
    2007: .039
    2008: .032
    2009: .037

    Not encouraging trends to say the least.

  • MJ

    See, I don’t see that as obvious. And can we please, please, please, stop talking about Jake Fox being a position player? He’s not, and will never be. I will agree on you more bang for the buck, but Hoffpauir is not the answer either. I’m not sold he’ll be hitting anywhere near .280 by year’s end.

    I just don’t see the “rapid” decline. Lee’s numbers are fairly copastetic, with the exception of his monstrous 2005. At this point it’s not fair to put up his 2009 numbers.

  • Mark Strickler

    The numbers are what they are.

  • Rick Beato

    That .823 OPS last year, quite a bit higher than the .696 this year, was the worst in the NL a year ago. The point is not the rapid decline; the point is that Lee’s career year was 2005 and he will not be that kind of hitter again. He was only that kind of hitter for a season and then had the broken wrist. Batting higher than 6th or 7th, which is where he hit with the Marlins long ago, he is not good enough to carry his weight.

  • cap’n obvious

    This is a tough one. DLee has been a darn good Cub, if not great for a few years. Even if the numbers don’t scream it, he is not what he once was, and in all likelihood, has seen his best days. I don’t think he’s quite fallen far enough to get rid of, especially seeing that the Mets would likely not offer anything of value (relief pitching) in return. I would love JJ Putz…doubtful the Mets part with him, and he makes a lot of $$$.

  • Mark Strickler

    Matt Cain for D Lee and Ascanio looks good to me. Lee to the Mets for Fernando Martinez and Bradley Holt is less desirable but acceptable.

  • No way lee would bring in Matt Cain.

  • Mark Strickler

    Not tit for tat but perhaps Ascanio and Lee would do it. Ishigawa is not going to pan out at first and SF could use a top pitching prospect. Cain puts up decent numbers but he’s a hard luck pitcher, like Derrek Lee Cain will be an unrestricted free agent after the 2010 season. If Lee and Ascanio didn’t get it done then perhaps Lee and some other package would.

  • cap’n obvious

    I just heard from a very reliable source that Glendon Rusch cleared waivers…might not be a bad pick up as an alternative to Cotts. Rusch is a good lefty/lefty matchup guy for the pen…much better than Cotts vs. lefties.

  • Lizzie

    Does he really need to be traded at this point, or does he just need to be moved in the lineup? Would everyone still be happy with him were he to bat 6th or even 7th? Not sure who moves up to fill his shoes, but it just got me to wondering if it’s just DLee that folks are unhappy with, or is it “DLee batting third”. Or, maybe it’s both.

  • Kris

    Here’s a thought…even if some of the fans want to trade Lee, does anyone think the Cubs want to trade him? I honestly think the answer is no.

    I also think this is really odd timing on this particular post. The guy went 3 for 4 on Sunday with a HR, a double and a clutch hit in the ninth. His average went from ~.190 to ~.225.

  • Kris, the timing is not due to Lee struggling or being successful, but because the METS need a 1b.

    As far as the Cubs not wanting to deal him, it was mainly just to discuss the concept.

  • cap’n obvious

    I don’t think the Mets would take on DLee’s salary for 2 months of need. Once Delgado is back, you have 2 guys that can only play 1B, both making $10MM or more.

  • MJ

    might not be a bad pick up as an alternative to Cotts.

    I’d take a high school pitcher at this point. 😆

  • Kris

    As far as the Cubs not wanting to deal him, it was mainly just to discuss the concept.

    I got that–I was just wondering if people think the Cubs are possibly looking to trade Lee. Thought it was another angle to the discussion.

    I’m rather glad I was out and missed tonight’s game. Sounds like it was pretty pathetic.

  • Lizzie

    Sounds like it was pretty pathetic.

    You’ve got that right Kris! I fell asleep, woke up, and felt I was watching the same thing over again!

  • Rich Beckman

    It wouldn’t bother me in the least if the Cubs simply released Lee this afternoon. So if they can trade him and get anyone in return, well that’s just icing on the cake.

  • MJ

    It wouldn’t bother me in the least if the Cubs simply released Lee this afternoon.

    What?????

  • Rich Beckman

    Huh?? What part of my statement did you not understand? I thought it was clear and direct to the point.

  • Kris

    Um, perhaps he is confused because simply releasing Lee makes no sense. You don’t simply release players that have value to your team and/or good trade value. Whether you like Lee or not, the idea of simply releasing him is bad baseball and bad business.

  • Kris

    And I have no idea why I just used the word “simply” three times in one post. Nice writing on my part. 🙂

  • It wouldn’t bother me in the least if the Cubs simply released Lee this afternoon.

    Oh my…

  • MJ

    Oh my…

    Oh my is right……good lord.

  • Assuming that Harden stays healthy

    That is not a safe assumption. Nor is it a safe assumption that even if he was healthy, that the Cubs would re-sign him.

    Not encouraging trends to say the least.

    Not sure why you include 2005 in there … it isn’t exactly relevant when looking at trends. As soon as you take out 2005, the downward trend disappears.

    Matt Cain for D Lee and Ascanio looks good to me.

    Why would the Giants want to take on Lee and his contract?

  • silk

    I think re-signing Harden is a must. Yes, some of his stats are down this year but his k/9 is right where it’s been the last three years, and for a power pitcher in his late 20’s that is what you are looking for. He’s brittle but in some ways that means his arm has not taken the beating that other young power pitchers have.

  • I think re-signing Harden is a must.

    I am not sure that I would say it is a must, but I would say that I definitely lean in that direction. His stats this year don’t scare me at all. He, when healthy, is and will be one of the best in baseball.

    But his injury history is really scary, and he is probably assured a long-term contract for a lot of money. Harden will be a pretty big risk for any team that is willing to give him more than a couple of years.