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May 7, 2009

Manny Ramirez Suspended 50 games for being Manny

Filed under: General — Joe Aiello @ 10:53 am

Manny Ramirez has tested positive for PED’s and will be suspended for 50 games.

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  • Denio

    Not a big fan of him so I say Good Riddance…

  • MJ

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

    Greatest hitter of our generation, my patoukis.

  • http://www.mindfulmission.com dave l

    This sucks. Not because I like Manny Ramirez, but because it is bad for baseball.

    FWIW… they are saying it wasn’t a steroid, but part of a subscribed prescribed medicine from his doctor.

  • Seymour Butts

    Medicines are prescribed, magazines are subscribed.

    Even so most docs I’ve met know a steroid when they give one to a patient. Even a myopic bookworm doc would also know who Manny is, so it sounds a bit hollow.

    That said, I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with Dave that it is bad for Baseball (though I do kind of like Manny’s swagger). We all know football players use anabolic supplements like candy, but the media does not make a big deal out of their unreal physiques. Some of Baseballs image problem is self induced. Bud needs to use the opportunity to say “hey, we are at least trying with our game”.
    There is no detectable traces of nandrolone in bananas.

  • http://www.mindfulmission.com dave l

    Medicines are prescribed, magazines are subscribed.

    Doh… I know that…

  • Kris

    My first thought upon this news was of all the Cubs fans who wanted Manny to come to Chicago. Thank goodness, for any number of reasons, that did not happen.

    There is no detectable traces of nandrolone in bananas.

    Seriously–let it go. After more than a week of that nonsense, any inkling of humor is long gone.

  • Mark Strickler

    George Carlin once said: “Used to be ‘getting up for the game’ was sort of a spiritual thing…”

    Seriously, I’m going to reserve judgement on this one until more details are filled in. If it’s a situation where a doctor made a mistake and prescribed an anabolic steroid to speed up the healing process for an injury that is quite different than an athlete who is ‘juicing.’ I have problems with bleeding after oral surgeries so they almost always prescribe a steroid to take the day of and after a procedure. So there are some circumstances where it is a good thing to do.

  • cap’n obvious

    I can’t wait for the presser when Manny talks about taking the prescribed meds to help him rehab an injury, so he could get back to helping the Dodgers…he’s always been such a team guy, this will be in no way unbelievable. It will also be interesting to me to learn what other ball players are seeing this doctor, and you just know some member of the media will ignore HIPAA guidelines and get that information out.

  • http://www.mindfulmission.com dave l

    you just know some member of the media will ignore HIPAA guidelines and get that information out.

    It wouldn’t be the media ignoring it… I believe it would be the doctor.

    The media is not governed by HIPAA.

  • Lizzie

    I believe it would be the doctor.

    Probably not even the doctor, they (typically) know better. But the doctor’s staff … now that’s a different story.

    I heard on the news that he claims his doctor prescribed the female fertility drug for help with a personal medical issue. That gave me a grade-school-type giggle. I think he’d be better served using the “speed up healing” excuse you guys mentioned above.

  • Mark Strickler

    Haha Lizzie, reminds me of a roommate I once had (who shall remain nameless.) He had a song go platinum in the pop charts, a big song. His first monthly royalty check was for $180,000. He decided to go out to Cali and make it as a rock star; his agent talked him into taking estrogen pills to create a certain look.

    Well not only did it create a more gentle look (his beard stopped growing,) he began to grow breasts. Talk about bad advice! Who knows, maybe that’s what Manny did :)

  • Lizzie

    Hmmmm, we’ll have to be on the lookout for Manny-man-boobs. I’m sure there’s footage somewhere!!!

  • Mark Strickler

    Update:

    Rotoworld reports that the drug that Manny allegedly took was a sexual enhancement drug called chorionic gonadotropin. Supposedly it is similar to the drug Clomid that Barry Bonds* and Jason Giambi are alleged to have taken.

    Whew! For a second there I was concerned that Manny had fallen victim to ol’ Whistlin’ Bob the Enzyte guy!

  • Doc Raker

    About time they caught the cheat, now how about Pujols.

  • Tommy

    Remember when Canseco implicated Manny and the media dismissed this as a pathetic attempt to grab headlines. Once again, Jose is right on the money.

    I lost all respect for Manny when he quit on the Red Sox. Now, not only is he a quitter, he’s a cheat.

    How I long for the days of men like Andre Dawson and Ryne Sandberg.

  • http://www.mindfulmission.com dave l

    How I long for the days of men like Andre Dawson and Ryne Sandberg.

    Just curious how you know that they were clean…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=8401936178 Joe Aiello

    Just curious how you know that they were clean…

    I had the same exact thought. If we’re going to not believe anyone’s word when they say it was a mistake or claim under oath that they were clean, then can we really believe guys from the past? I want to, I really do, but I’m also not naive.

  • MJ

    In all likelihood they probably took Greenies, or something all those lines too.

    It’s sad, but I don’t think we’ll ever see the sport clean. I’m not sure it ever was either.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=8401936178 Joe Aiello

    It’s sad, but I don’t think we’ll ever see the sport clean. I’m not sure it ever was either.

    I’m not sure how much that bothers me. As I get older, I realize that it’s entertainment. If guys want to mess up their bodies to entertain me, more power to them. I think the most important thing is that we teach our kids that sports are entertainment and to teach them about the dangers of harming your body for a dollar. Teaching them how to handle their lives and be responsible with what God has given them is the key.

    It does make me laugh though. We come down on guys for using the very things that doctors prescribe for non-athletes for various health issues (i.e. Growth Hormone, Steroids, etc) I had a steroid drop in my eye to clean up an infection. Just something to throw out there.

  • MJ

    When I think Sports Entertainment, I think WWE. I know those guys (and girls) are all pumped with juice, and the sport isn’t real. It’s entertainment. Nothing more.

    I don’t think that when I think of baseball. It’s a competition that’s made to entertain.

    We’ve all ahd some sort of medication that’d probably put use on the suspension list, but I’m not in a Union that tells me not too.

  • Tommy

    So it’s all right for players to cheat as long as it’s entertaining? What about the clean players? Those trying to play the game the way it was meant to be played? Isn’t it important for there to be a level playing field? That’s why pitch tipping is such a serious allegation with Alex Rodriguez. If he did that (not saying he did) then he should be suspended 50 games as well or worse. Anything that gives one an unfair advantage over another is cheating and should be treated with swift and severe repercussions.

  • CubsFan120

    The sportswriters are disappointed in Manny. Some are saying he should be released as soon as his suspension is over.  Some probably want him banned from baseball right now or at least drawn and quartered in the public square.  But what about the management that allowed the PED issue to get out of hand.  Are we to believe no manager, GM or owner or COB Selig himself knew what was going on in their clubhouse during the “Steroid Era”?  I guess so since no management personnel has been busted or vilified over this.  The players shouldn’t be paying the price for doing what we all know the owners wanted them to do with a nudge and a wink until Selig and the owners and GM’s that turned their backs on this for years, since the ’94 strike killed the World Series and almost killed baseball, are held responsible for letting (encouraging?) the PED situation become so prevalent just to put butts back in the seats.

  • Tommy

    Selig should be fired as well as any GM who winked their way thru this era. Clean house. Purge the evil, starting from the top down.

  • Doc Raker

    Just curious how you know that they were clean…

    Here is how reasonable people believe players of the Sandberg and Dawson era were clean of PED’s.
    1) Their helmet size stayed the same their entire career.
    2) They didn’t show up one year with 40 extra pounds of muscle.
    3) The concept of lifting weights in baseball had not been fully accepted into baseball in the early 80’s.
    4) You didn’t have freakish tendon injuries in that era, only when players started bulking up did we start to see players reputuring tendon’s, see Garciaparra, N; Piazza, M;
    5) Pitchers of that era didn’t gain and lose 10 mph on their fastballs as we have seen of recent years, see Borowski, J; Prior, M, Gagne, E

    Cubsfan120- It hasn’t been management that has blocked drug testing since Selig first starting bringing it up, it has been Donald Fehr and the players union. Until the players union allows a needle to be used in drug testing the cheats will continue. Of course management likes putting butts in the seats but th eplayers union likes inflated salaries which is what we get with inflated stats.

    Which entity is responsible for protecting the players health?
    a) The Player
    b) The Players union
    c) The owners
    d) Bud Selig

    I say a, b, c and d in that order.

    Who’s job is it to protect the mid level players that don’t want to take PED’s but feels compelled to in order to compete for a job? i.e. Who is responsible for keeping the competition between the players free of PED’s and therefore a healthy enviroment for the player?

    The Players union is the clear answer to that IMO.

  • http://www.mindfulmission.com dave l

    Here is how reasonable people believe players of the Sandberg and Dawson era were clean of PED’s. …

    PEDs are not just about building muscle mass. It is about faster recovery, better energy/endurance, etc. There are some that would even argue that some PEDs can improve your vision.

    Look at many of the players that HAVE been caught… they are not muscle bound freaks.

    We have no idea of Dawson, Sandberg, and others in the 80’s and early 90’s were clean. There was no drug testing, and nobody cared.

  • Tommy

    I think you make a lot of sense, Doc.

  • http://www.mindfulmission.com dave l

    FWIW, I am not saying that Dawson, Sandberg, and others were not clean. I am simply saying that we do not know that they were clean.

    And the lack of weight gain/head size/etc is not proof that they were.

    By the way… this is really strange:

    Pitchers of that era didn’t gain and lose 10 mph on their fastballs as we have seen of recent years, see … Prior, M,

    Prior? Really? What 10mph are you referring to?

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Prior has used PEDs, but the speed of his fastball isn’t evidence of such.

  • Doc Raker

    Many pitchers took PED’s to build up leg strength to add mph to their fastballs. If you don’t think Borowski, Gagne and Prior are suspicous of using PED’s so be it, but they lost mph on there fastballs shortly after testing for PED’s was stepped up. Prior couldn’t throw above 88 in his final year as a Cub and had shoulder surgey not because they found any injury but as exploratory surgery. They cleaned up his shoulder without really finding any major damage and he has never been the same, even the size of his calf’s are smaller.

  • http://www.mindfulmission.com dave l

    Many pitchers took PED’s to build up leg strength to add mph to their fastballs.

    Yes, that is one reason they take/took PEDs. I am very aware of that.

    If you don’t think Borowski, Gagne and Prior are suspicous of using PED’s so be it

    Uhh… that is not what I said. At all. But if you want to continue to argue against straw men, so be it.

    Prior couldn’t throw above 88 in his final year as a Cub and had shoulder surgey not because they found any injury but as exploratory surgery.

    Prior coudln’t throw above 88 because he was HURT. Which the exploratory surgery clearly found.

    But sure… go ahead and pretend that Prior wasn’t injured, and that he simply lost velocity because he was no longer on PEDs.

    And I am still waiting for you to tell me when Prior magically gained 10mph on his fastball.

    Don’t get me wrong. As I clearly said above, Prior very may well be a PED guy. But again, you sure can’t point to the speed of his fastball, after being injured, as the reason.

  • Doc Raker

    Dave
    I believe Prior began using PED’s at USC and after a short phenom start in the bigs the deterious effects of the stuff started to take it’s toll.
    Prior lost mph on his fastball before the exploratory surgery and they did not find any major damage in the surgery, they just cleaned the shoulder up. I viewed the surgery as a way for him to save face. He couldn’t get anyone out after saying he felt fine all through the offseason while asking for a multimillion dollar salary. THen in spring training he got hit hard and came off the mound telling Rothchild he couldn’t get the ball to do what he wanted it to do. At that point you go down to the minor’s and face all the questions of why you can’t perform to previous levels OR you have exploratory surgey and let everyone believe it was injury related. When I read that no significant damage was found during the surgery and that they just cleaned up the shoulder coupled with the shrinking calfs I was convinced he used PED’s.

    The exploratory surgery did what it was suppose to do, keep the heat off of him about questions of PED’s.

    I suspect anyone of using PED’s who;
    1) Had a drastic change in their body.
    2) Had a drastic change in their performance.
    3) Has had a string of nagging injury’s especially related muscle pulls and tendon’s.
    4) Wears a baggy uniform to hide their changing body.

    Prior falls into 1,2 and 3 of the above categories. So does Nomar, Brady Anderson, Eric Gagne, Mike Piazza and many others.

    You don’t think so, so be it.

    Were do your suspicions lie? Do you suspect everyone dating back to Abner Doubleday? Or you believe no one until they test positive?

  • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com/meetmatt.php Matt

    Prior lost mph on his fastball before the exploratory surgery and they did not find any major damage in the surgery, they just cleaned the shoulder up.

    If they didn’t find any damage, there’d be no reason to clean it up. Hurt shoulder = less on the fastball.

    coupled with the shrinking calfs I was convinced he used PED’s.

    Where’s the proof of shrinking calves?

    Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

  • http://www.mindfulmission.com dave l

    You don’t think so, so be it.

    Where did I say that? Seriously… why are you arguing against things I didn’t say?

    Your original argument was that Prior’s increase/decrease in mph on his fasttball (10 mph, to be exact) was evidence that he did steroids. I say that is BS.

    You also claim that Mark Prior wasn’t hurt, which is hilarious.

    I have never said that Prior didn’t use PEDs. I have simply said that your “evidence” is nothing of the sort.

    But go ahead and keep pretending I am saying something that I am not. It always makes it easier to argue against something that hasn’t been said.

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