Comments on: Let It Roll or Matt's Crazy Off Season Plan

By: aj30

aj30 — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:30:47 +0000

why not ramon vazquez instead of felipe lopez as the super sub. as for right field they should take a look at brad hawpe, hes younger and cheaper than abreu and produce the same. get fukudome a head start and have him take some at bats in winterball, and get him ready to play center.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:14:51 +0000

Looking at raw numbers, Pierre and Theriot don’t line up with Dunn, but I don’t get the apples-oranges comparison. If you want to compare Theriot and Pierre with other top of the order hitters, fine. They are not middle of the order, like Dunn. Off the top of my head, I don’t know the productivity rankings of major league left fielders. Are you asking would I take Dunn over all other LF? Don’t know, don’t have the facts at hand. I just believe, and have read several accounts that agree, that Adam Dunn puts up numbers that do not accurately reflect what he brings to a team in day to day productivity. His slumps are game killers, his hot streaks can carry you. Again, I say, a part of productivity is consistency. But, you disagree, and I’ll leave it at that. You can’t paint a whole picture with Sabermetrics.

By: dave l

dave l — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:20:56 +0000

Kevin – you didn’t answer my question earlier.

Do you think that Juan Pierre and Ryan Theriot are more productive than Adam Dunn?

And… what left fielders do you think are more productive than Adam Dunn?

because despite the pretty power and OB numbers, I can’t see Adam Dunn as the main offensive cog in a winning lineup

In other words, “despite the great numbers, he isn’t productive.” Huh?

By: Kevin

Kevin — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:09:58 +0000

Inconsistent is not productive, and not productive does not bat 3rd. I think we have to agree to disagree, because despite the pretty power and OB numbers, I can’t see Adam Dunn as the main offensive cog in a winning lineup, just as you can’t believe he isn’t productive.

By: dave l

dave l — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:45:55 +0000

Okay… so now you have changed the argument from “productive” to “inconsistent” (based on batting average) and now “streaky.” I will grant you that Dunn has a tendency to be “streaky,” but so do most hitters, especially power hitters.

And we were not talking defense at all. I think that we can all agree that Dunn sucks defensively.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:41:33 +0000

The numbers don’t tell it all. It’s the guy’s performance, day in and day out. He’ll go on a streak with 9 homers in 7 games, .600 OBA. Then for a week or two he disappears, strikes out 15 times in 5 games. This doesn’t even address what he calls defense. He can hide at 1B perhaps. But yes, Adam Dunn’s history is a streaky one, and unless he bats 5th or 6th, it’s very very difficult to live with.

By: dave l

dave l — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:36:02 +0000

Kevin… just curious… do you believe that Ryan Theriot and Juan Pierre are more productive than Adam Dunn?

By: dave l

dave l — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:14:59 +0000

A guy batting 3rd at a .236 “clip”?

There is a lot more to baseball than batting average.

Further, Dunn’s .233 batting average is deceptively low, being that he had a very low .258 babip. If that moves up to his career .287, and it will almost inevitably move back up, then his batting average will significantly improve.

So I still have no idea how a guy with career numbers such as a .381 OBP and a SLUG of .518, who has averaged 40 HR and 96 RBI over his career, is unproductive.

That kind of inconsistency is unacceptable in that spot, OPS notwithstanding.

That is not inconsistency. It is a low batting average. A low batting average is not the same as inconsistency.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:03:32 +0000

A guy batting 3rd at a .236 “clip”? He and Ryan Howard had similar seasons, great when they’re on, killers when they’re not. That kind of inconsistency is unacceptable in that spot, OPS notwithstanding.

By: dave l

dave l — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:46:15 +0000

And as I’ve said in other threads, I want a productive 3rd place hitter. Not Dunn.

I have no idea how Adam Dunn is not productive. At all. No idea.