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Manny Machado to the Cubs

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The MLB winter meetings are in full swing and the Cubs made a little news yesterday that we need to talk about.

Hopefully my title worked as a proper click bait. Unfortunately, Jerry Crasnick tweeted that the Cubs were not showing early interest in trading for Manny Machado.

Instead, I’d like to ask you this. If the Cubs were offered Machado for Addison Russell and two smaller pieces in the farm that were not considered to be major components going forward, would you do it? My first thought was “No”, but the more I toyed with it in my mind, it made sense, and he’s why.

  1. Machado is better – That one is a no brainer. You move him to 3B, put Javier Baez at SS, Ian Happ at 2B and move Kris Bryant to LF.
  2. Russell still hasn’t shown he can be elite – He’s shown flashes of greatness, but nothing elite as of yet, and I’m not convinced he can be. I feel like it’s a situation where we’re waiting on the potential we saw from Starlin Castro and if we wait too long he’ll turn into a pumpkin.
  3. If Machado leaves, you get a draft pick and can sign Bryce Harper – As long as we’d have him for the entire year, if he signs an extension, great. If not, then you offer him the qualifying offer and get the comp pick. Then you spend the money on Harper.

If I’m the Cubs, I’m at least making a call to see what the cost would be, especially if you could get Zach Britton as part of the package.

Misc. Notes

  • Mike Montgomery wants to pitch as a starter and has voiced that to his “sources”, or at least that’s what Ken Rosenthal is reporting on the Athletic. It may be just hogwash, but this reminds me a lot of the Travis Wood situation where the Cubs took a guy that could probably be an above average back end starter and turned him into a good arm out of the pen. You can understand the frustration from the player from a financial end as starters, even bad ones, get more money. We’ll have to wait and see how this shakes out.
  • Another arm has been added to the bullpen, as the Cubs signed LH Drew Smyly to the pen on a two year deal
  • Kyle Schwarber is in the best shape of his life. I wanted to provide a picture of the work in progress to get Doc Raker’s seeds hot.
  • The Cubs had some issues with the Tyler Chatwood contract verbiage, but that has been cleared up and finalized. The issue came in the fact that the deal included a bonus if he received even one vote for the Cy Young award. Because those are voted by the baseball writers, the MLBPA felt there was a conflict of interest there.
  • The Angels have already broken their new toy, Shohei Ohtani. I just feel like this is gonna end badly for them.
  • The Nationals are looking at adding Hector Rondon to their pen.
  • Buddy

    Any team would love to have Machado, even with the occasional nonsense he brings to an organization. Latest rumor is that the White Sox are aggressively pursuing him.

  • JTBarrett16

    Ohtani was damaged before he got there. What happened with Chatwood? Was the provision changed?

  • Allan Birmantas

    Where did this Machado story come from? I hadn’t heard anything about it.

    • There is no Machado story. Click bait, Joe said above.

  • JTBarrett16

    In Cubs news, Schwarber is a candidate to lead off again:
    https://www.mlb.com/news/cubs-kyle-schwarber-shows-new-physique-at-wm/c-263382558

    I guess some things never change. We need another October failure to get Maddon out of here and Girardi in charge for 2019. Or miss the playoffs all together.

    • Buddy

      I wouldn’t get too hung up on potential lineups. Maddon uses well over 100 different lineups every year, so who bats where when will change almost daily. Regardless of whether or not Schwarber leads off, the Cubs will still score over 800 runs, which will put them near the top of the NL again.I’m not worried about their offense. Pitching on the other hand…

      • Doc Raker

        Last season we had an over under on how many different lead off hitters Maddon would use at 7.5. I think in 2018 the over under should be 10.5

      • JTBarrett16

        I’ll take the under on 10.5

      • Doc Raker

        I reserve the right to change the over under until opening day. The line could move depending on roster moves. I think Maddon should give everyone a chance to hit leadoff.

      • JTBarrett16

        I will wait until the line has been set in that case

      • Jerry in Wisconsin

        I was so looking forward to Joe batting the pitcher first.

  • Doc Raker

    I love Maddons quote about why Schwarber batting leadoff failed last year, Maddon said. “It only failed in the sense that Kyle had a tough time last year.” Which is like saying, “It failed because Kyle failed.” Well ya.

    I see no picture of tSchwarbs but it aint his physique I like it is the way the batted balls travel 120mph off his bat that I like.

    We need pitching, not another slugger.

    • Allan Birmantas

      Maddon likes to be brilliant. It’s just how his personality is. Why do the expected when you might impress somebody with an innovation. I think it’s stupid.

      • Doc Raker

        Maddon out smarts himself regularly.

  • Buddy

    Sounds like Steve Cishek is joining the Cubs pen.

  • Sherm

    I wouldn’t pay the price for Machado – they’ll want way too much talent, but if he were on this team? If you somehow could swap him for just Russell and prospects? That’s the scenario I’d need to keep Baez at second base and let Machado play short (which is his natural position and where he WANTS to play.) He is an absolute beast with a bat and would make this entire lineup far more formidable than it is.

    • Buddy

      I would say there is a 0.000001 percent chance the Cubs trade for Machado. But I also predicted they would sign Lance Lynn, so what do I know?

      • Sherm

        I agree – I don’t think it will happen…but I’m saying it wouldn’t break my heart if it did.

      • Buddy

        Agreed. He would be a huge upgrade offensively.

    • Tony

      Machado and Britton to the Cubs for Russell and Happ and maybe a prospect or two. Machado at SS and Javie at 2nd base.

      • Sherm

        Probably more – although the Orioles know that Machado is a free agent after the season, so if they don’t trade him now, they will trade him mid-season. It just depends on the haul they get offered, I suspect. He makes any team better – he’s an impact player. The big question is what is he worth, and how desperate will Baltimore get before they realize “oh, shit, if we don’t trade him we don’t get ANYTHING.” (Of course, they’d make him a qualifying offer, but any team that can get Manny Machado for cash plus a draft pick? That’s a bargain.

      • Buddy

        Britton’s health is a big concern. Plus he only has one year left on his deal. If the Cubs can get him for a prospect or two, then that’s something to consider. But no way I’m giving up one of the young guys on the major league roster for him.

      • Jerry in Wisconsin

        I was listening to the radio about the sox trading for Machado and the asking price from the O’s was ridiculous. The O’s would probably want more than what you listed above, and I personally think that if the Cubs give them Russell, Happ and one more prospect that would be overpaying for two free agents to be.

  • JTBarrett16

    When Edmonds and Pujols were in St. Louis, why did Edmonds always follow Pujols in the lineup?

    • Sure Pujols struck out a lot, but he also hit a lot of home runs, saw a lot of pitches, worked deep into counts, showed plate discipline, and put together good at-bats when he and Edmonds were in St. Louis.

      • JTBarrett16

        Except Pujols has never had a 100 strikeout season

  • JTBarrett16

    Not trying to start anything political, but what will the repeal of net neutrality mean for this site?

    • Jerry in Wisconsin

      It means that Joe will start charging a premium for anyone who asks about net neutrality.

    • Eddie Von White

      Faster fastballs. More spin on the curve. More exit felocity on the home run. Quicker wit on the replies.

    • Doc Raker

      Nothing, it was a liberal hoax to censor the web. Government- “We have 5 conservative blogs and 1 liberal blog therefore this is not neutral. Remove 4 conservative blogs.” The BS about costs increasing on your facebook or snapchat is serf bait so the useful idiots of the world support government censorship.

      • Seymour Butts

        Not even remotely the issue.
        It’s about speed of access to the content, not the actual content.

    • Seymour Butts

      Probably not as this blog has very little traffic compared to, say, netflix.
      It will likely effect you negatively in download speeds when you stream content, if you do a lot of it. Net neutrality forbade your ISP from throttling that speed down.
      If you want to know if it’s a bad thing or a good thing, look at who lobbied for it to be struck down. Verizon, AT&T, The ISPs.
      Who wanted is kept in place? Content providers and consumers.
      Make your own call.

      • That’s exactly it. Over the years internet service has become a commodity, very little opportunity for the ISPs to make “new” profits. For instance they can’t go back to charging people by the hour like back in the old days because people would laugh them right out of business. So they lobbied for this law (which, contrary to popular belief, Obama didn’t invent … there were net neutrality-type laws on the books during Bush years it’s just that no one really paid attention since the internet wasn’t anything like it is today) to be revoked. So, back to the money-making. They can’t really make any new money without actually delivering a new or better product (market is maxed out at this point) so now they want to (and can) say “oh, let’s slow down Netflix (for example). Oh, you don’t like that your Netflix is being slowed down? Ok, easy solution. Pay an extra fee per month and we’ll keep your Netflix flowing fast!” Instant new profit with no new/better product. What’s not clear at this point is whether they will charge that fee directly to the consumer or to Netflix, for premium speeds for their content. But guess what? Even if they charge it to Netflix, the consumer will pay for it.

      • Web app guys are not pumped about this shit FWIW

      • JTBarrett16

        Ugh. What a joke. I don’t use Netflix, but I use YouTube and I stream MLB on my Roku