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Okay, look. I’ve tried to be nice. I’ve tried to stay upbeat and positive. I can’t do that anymore. It took a ten run first inning to help me realize WHY I’ve turned into such a nice fucking guy – because they won the World Series last year. Well, that’s over. That’s right, folks, it’s in the past and this is a “what have you done for me lately” world we live in, and I’m not happy. Just like many of you, I rode the wave of the glorious championship…probably way too long. Not as long as the Cubs, but long enough. That wave has now thrown us into the rocks, and left us bloody on the beach. Or some such metaphoric crap. We’ve reached the All-Star break – the figurative halfway point of each baseball season – and this guy is NOT happy.

Try not to suck. We didn’t suck. Embrace the suck. Fuck you, Joe, and your T-Shirts, and stupid slogans. How about spending SOME time working on fixing your TEAM? I’m calling for the head of Joe Maddon. (Not literally, CAPS, put down the machete.) I think Maddon needs to resign immediately and let someone else manage this team. He’s lost control. His idiotic Maddon-isms are no longer endearing (if they ever were) and his disregard for the fundamental things that have proven to be solid contributing factors to winning baseball for tens of decades is immediate cause. Go sell champagne. Go pretend you know what you are doing for another organization desperate for change. So desperate that they’d hire a complete lunatic…

For the record? I don’t give him much credit for the World Series victory. He did just about everything in his power to LOSE that series with Cleveland. And if you don’t believe me? Try using your memory – you SAW it —  and quit being so forgiving because he got lucky and didn’t lose. His game mismanagement was astonishing. Only a young core of players who didn’t know better and who got hot at the right time saved his bacon. The credit for assembling those players goes to Theo & Co. Maddon had nothing to do with that. It’s his job to get the most out of them…and you are seeing this season just how well he does that. He stands there on the top step…confused. He said two days ago he was working on the All Star lineup. Meanwhile, HIS team just lost two important in-division games. Way to have your head in the game, Joe.  We’ve embraced this schmuck long enough. No more Anchorman parties. No more snake charmers, or clowns, or jugglers or whatever he has planned to cheer up the troops. How about some good baseball? Is that too much to ask? I fear that it is.

I’m not going to provide a laundry list of his shortcomings. Our Joe would like this article to be under a million words. I don’t have a replacement in mind. Let Dave Martinez do it. Let David Ross do it. Let Cap’n Realist do it. Just get someone in place who is a real manager who will set expectations and have consequences when they are not met. Respect 90?  I remember when they all did. Before they realized he didn’t really give a shit. He’s all about the slogan…not the job. Player’s manager? I call bullshit. Players want to win, and NEED to be managed. We all work, right? Isn’t there SOMEONE in your world who wouldn’t be happy if you weren’t getting it done?

Look at Dave Roberts in L.A. He lets the eagles fly…for sure, but he’s disciplined Puig SEVERAL times for losing focus and/or being stupid, and the other guys SEE that. It becomes part of the culture. DON’T SCREW UP.  Instead, Maddon brings a culture of “IT DOESN’T MATTER” and therefore, it doesn’t. Not a bit.

Finally, and don’t think for a minute that I MEAN finally, but it’s my podium right now, so deal with it…I’m going to do the unthinkable and wonder OUT LOUD here if winning the World Series didn’t do something to me. Maybe I only loved the Cubs BECAUSE they had not won a world series. Maybe that’s the only reason. Is that possible? Because right now? I really hate this team. When they were the lovable losers, you could love them every day – win or lose – because they tried SO HARD and you could always relate to that. It’s life. It’s human. We bust our asses every day to move the ball down the field in our lives, and it’s hard and we don’t take any of it for granted because it’s all we have, and we are grateful for every day we are here. But that similarity with the Chicago Cubs is gone. They won the lottery and forgot who their friends were. I don’t see gratitude out there. I don’t see them busting their asses. I see them tweeting. And joking. And not caring if they lose…because they won the WS last year, so who cares, right? Well, I care. And I’ve realized that I don’t care if its 108 years or 1 year, I want to see my team play hard, and play well, and God-willing, make the playoffs and hopefully compete for a title. They are no longer lovable losers. All that talent. ALL THAT TALENT. And they have collectively become dislikable winners. I like them all individually. (Well, not ALL of them. That’s another post. As a team, though, they make it tough…) And it pisses me off. I’m glad it’s the All Star break. I will not watch the game. Please do NOT text me if Maddon bats the pitcher eighth. I don’t care. Just like the Cub ballplayers…I need a break.

  • cap’n realist
  • CubbieBlue023

    Here, here!!!! Proud of you, Sherm. Glad to read someone who has the same emotions as I. And we have Montgomery to look forward to on Friday to open the second half. Get your rest.

    • Allan Birmantas

      Who would you have start? We don’t have a stopper.

      • CubbieBlue023

        From the past week….Eddie Butler. Next….Arrieta. Even Lackey got a win last week over the Rays. But not Montgomery.

  • Amen. I can’t remember ever looking forward to an All Star break. This one couldn’t come fast enough, especially after watching this weekend’s games (granted I only made it through three innings of today’s.) You hit the nail on the head Sherm. If they truly sucked I could deal with that. But this team has endless talent, completely wasted. That’s the hard part.

  • Doug S.

    Extremely and painfully brilliantly put.

  • Doc Raker

    Rack it Sherm!

    The Cubs lost properly today, lost by 11. Eleven is better than 10 because it is louder.

  • King In The Nawth

    We’re 2 games under .500 and only 5.5 games out with 2 and a half months of baseball to go. We’ve battled injuries, some growing pains with the young guys, and a healthy amount of shit luck. Ground balls for the other guys get through while ours turn into double plays. Some replays that seem like they should be overturned just don’t. I do believe we need to revamp the starting pitching somewhat but the sky is not falling.

    • Sherm

      They’re five and half back in a division that Vanderbilt could win.

      The sky might be falling and most Cub fans wouldn’t notice. Nor would Joe Maddon.

      • King In The Nawth

        I don’t know dude. I don’t buy into the Joe Maddon hate though. I think his record with the Cubs to this point has earned him more than enough slack to cover a roughly .500 half season.

      • Sherm

        I get it – and I don’t “hate” him…he’s certainly entertaining, but he’s not a solid manager when it comes to fundamentals and this young team needs more discipline and managing than he seems able to provide.

      • Bryzzo1744

        Agreed 100%. He’s not a good manager

      • Yeah you said he was a football coach or something.

  • Seymour Butts

    Checked the score about the 5th inning today. I was up to my waist in ( among other things) bloody diarrhea
    Apparently I was not the only one.

    • Doc Raker

      Are you OK?

      • Seymour Butts

        (it was someone else’s)

  • Doug S.

    Sports bar today had the Jays and Cubs game on side by side. A combined 33-4 shitshow. Talk about Slaughter & Gomorrah.

    Elsewhere, Jessica not on SNB.
    Other side of that news likely means Miami for giggle-girl.

    • Mark_from_Toronto

      I’m just thankful I was busy most of the weekend and didn’t see any of the games. I was at the gym yesterday around the time the game started and happened to see the 10-0 score in the 1st inning flash on the bottom of the news channel screen they had on. Thought maybe it was a mistake, but then thought of how the Cubs have played as of late and didn’t question it.

  • Seymour Butts

    Are we in last place yet?

  • thanks Shherm.. that was an uncomfortable, good read

  • CubbieBlue023

    You guys and gals….Adbert went 5 innings giving up 2 hits and no runs. And TEN strikeouts! Bring him up! Bring him up!

  • lmllml

    Hi Sherm, I think that you have had one too many coffees. Relax. The Cubs are a disappointment going into the all star break, not question about it, but I don’t know if Madden is at fault. He did over manage during the WS, but he got them there, along with guiding a young team to over 200 wins during the 15-16 timeframe. We are all frustrated with where they are, but probably less so than the players, who have not hit period, nor delivered with runners in scoring position, or the starting pitchers. who seem to always give up runs in the first inning. This team, and perhaps the management as well, felt that they were going to cake walk to win the division and now they are realizing that they will have to work for it. Let’s see what happens over the next 2.5 months and then you can make your comments about changes that should be made.

    • Sherm

      Let me ask you a question – which really comes to top of my mind as I watch the Sunday night game (Tigers at Indians.) So, if the Cubs had LOST game 7 of the WS, do you think they’d be performing exactly the same?

      Other than the outcome of that one game? Everything else would be the same. Same personnel. Same “long” season/short off-season. I ask because this Indian team looks good. They have improved since the WS – and are playing terrific baseball. Had the Cubs lost that game – do you think they’d be playing at a much higher level now than they are? I wonder.

      My opinion remains that they need to do SOMETHING to shake this team up – and I would not mess too much with the personnel. Maddon is expendable.

  • Michael Gosciej

    I quietly rooted for the team since ’93; I say quietly because I became disgusted with the way they would lose in the playoffs (’84 and ’89) after looking great in the regular season….and who knew we’d be in for a few more playoff series loses after that! Injuries haven’t helped, that’s for certain. It should have been expected that a couple players would slump…c’mon, 97 wins in 2015 followed by a 103 win season the next year; it’s a lot to expect of ANY team that they would just continue in the same fashion for 2017. I think Maddon is ok for the team; I hardly watch any games because of the hours I work. The thing that strikes me the most was the World Series Banner Flying ceremony they had at Wrigley. They made such a big deal out of it (rightly so, who are we talking about?), but I think it was over-the-top and I believe it truly messed with some of the players minds. Gold names/numbers on their uniforms?! That’s where I think the problems started. I don’t know what to say about Lester and Arrieta; again, perhaps off years. I remember when Sutcliffe won the Cy Young in ’84…..then was mediocre until ’88. Not many players perform at top level year after year…..just wasn’t expecting a “rebuilding” type season so soon after they won it all. I know they aren’t rebuilding, everyone is just off and I’m wondering what the hitting and pitching coaches are doing to fix it. Then again I think, it took Boston 3 years to win the Series after they won in ’04…… This is a different team with a different mindset, finally, thank God! They’re just going to have their ups and downs like anyone else.

    It would just be nice to see them try to be competitive, look like they cared. To coin a White Sox phrase: Win Ugly. At least show you have heart, that’s all. Go Cubs!!

  • Junior Von White

    Maddon is not a bad manager, but he is a bad manager of THIS team, which is a huge problem. I keep thinking about his successful teams both in Tampa Bay and in Chicago. The one common denominator I see is continual rebuilding; constantly calling up young guys with a few good/decent veterans. Think about it; Russel, Bryant, Schwarber, Contreras, Baez, Almora, and Hendricks have all made MLB debuts in the last two years under Maddon and become integral pieces of the team. In the meantime, Lester, Heyward, Fowler, Lackey, Zobrist, Arietta, and Ross were all NEW to the team under Maddon. So almost every key piece (except Rizzo) is brand new to playing in Chicago. Maddon’s approach was to just get everyone to relax, play their game, and remember why they’re here, which is exactly what they did. It worked in Tampa Bay, and it worked in Chicago, until now. I think Maddon squeezed 10 extra wins out of the 2015 team, did well in 2016 (until the end really), and is now subtracting wins in 2017. He is excellent at keeping the young/new guy’s jitters down, and helping them relax and “play their game.” The problem? This team has played their game, and they won. Now what? Maddon doesn’t seem to know. Great managers know how to adapt and keep their team winning, and there is no reason for the 2017 Cubs to have a losing record at the break. Joe, it’s do or die time.

    • Adam Peters

      I agree, Junior. Maddon did a great job when everyone was new and inexperienced, but now that everyone has their own underwear deal he doesn’t seem to know how to handle them.

      And he has no excuse for putting up with shitty play. He has a crapload of talent. If someone’s not hitting, and/or is playing crappy defense–I’m looking at you Schwarber & Zobrist–sit them and put Happ or Baez in. WTF?!

  • Bob Ubriaco

    Thanks for the honesty! As a 60 year old Cubs fan who lived through 1969, I have never, not once, hated a Cubs team, but laughing in the dugout as John Jay pitches in an 11-2 blowout by the Brewers has pushed me beyond any sense of respect for this team. I too hate this team! The day to day management, while trying not to suck, sucks! I have lived in St. Louis for the last twenty-five years, and as a devout Cubs fan whose loyalty has been forced to endure every conceivable joke from Cardinal Nation, the pain is unbearable. Everyone keeps saying “enjoy the ride,” but the ride to where? Baseball is a finicky game, and perhaps that is why we watch, and every one one of us will cherish 2016 forever, but is it too much to ask for a team to play hard, to play with some emotion, some fire, or what Tony La Russa used to refer to as “a hard nine?” Perhaps the second half will produce the type of effort and results that we have come to expect since 2015, and I would certainly love to be, wrong, but in the immortal words of John Fogerty, “I see a bad moon rising.”

    • Eddie Von White

      Welcome to VFTB, Bob. I endured 1969 as a ten year old and cried myself to sleep every night in September of that year. The thing that gets in my craw about this team is that it is very disrespectful to the fans who paid, probably at least 100 bucks a ticket to watch the game, plus travel expense, plus refreshments at the ball park, plus a day off work, plus making a deal with the family that if they go to Wrigley today, we’ll go to Great America next week, etc, etc, etc…Then to see the players laughing hilariously in a losing blowout just shows they don’ t give a rat’s rear end about what it means to be a fan. I guess they think their own crap doesn’t stink.

      • I think we can say “ass.”

      • Bryzzo1744

        Or Bum

      • Sherm

        Bum’s rear end?

        That doesn’t really work for me.

      • Doug S.

        Apparently Butts is acceptable.

      • Jerry in Wisconsin

        And it also may help you to seymour.

      • Seymour Butts

        My eyes are wet… thank you.

      • Seymour Butts

        Que?

  • Doc Raker

    I just have to wonder if Maddon lost the team in game 6 & 7 of the World Series with his poor management of the pitchers. Even if he didn’t ‘lose the team’ it is hard to win when your starting pitchers are not pitching well. You have to win some 2-1, 1-0, 3-2 games and this team can not pitch like that. Is that Maddon’s fault? I don’t think so.

    • Jerry in Wisconsin

      It is Maddon’s fault that we start the first game after the All-star break with Montgomery on the mound. If we are serious about winning, let’s start Hendricks, Arrietta or even Lester ( he certainly did not throw too many pitches yesterday) You do not start your number five or six to start the second half.

      • Doc Raker

        The sad thing is, none of those pitchers gives me confidence. No one is pitching well.

        I haven’t seen the stat but I have to believe the Cubs have given up more first inning runs than anyone else.

      • Doug S.
      • Bryzzo1744

        Beat me to it. We suck. The end.

      • Eddie Von White

        Doc’s eyes have not failed him. I hate that stat.

      • Junior Von White

        Let’s start Wade Davis for the first inning of every game. Maddon can start a new position “The Opener.”

      • Sherm

        Great minds and all:

        http://viewfromthebleachers.com/archives/30716

        Posted on April 30.

      • Junior Von White

        Genius! Here I thought I was being original and creative. #Shermformanager

      • #shermformanager #managerisacoachwhomanagesthegame #maddonisacoachnotamanager #footballcoach

      • Sherm

        #itwasaTuesday #Icallitwhatever #idiotoftheday #hashtag

      • Sherm

        Two people can have the same original thought. Here’s CS Lewis’ take on that:
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/93066ef40494437f2aa66a3be39eb6153ed8a2b34f87644c6f908cb02d87a295.jpg

      • Eddie Von White

        Excellent!!

      • Junior Von White

        I like it!

  • Adam Peters

    I hate to give too much credit or blame to one guy, but I wonder how much of this year’s disintegration is due to David Ross not being around. I mean, who is “the man” in the clubhouse who people look up to and puts a stop to any stupid bullshit he sees? I was hoping that as the longest tenured guy on the team that Rizzo would step up into that role, but maybe he’s just not that guy. And judging from the product on the field, stupid bullshit is thriving in that clubhouse.

    I believe that Maddon did a great job during the regular season in 2015 & ’16, but I agree that he fumbled his way through the postseason.

    • Doc Raker

      Rizzo is the leader in laughing into teammates ears while they are getting their asses kicked

  • Dork

    Sherm, I don’t think you have changed, if memory serves you were angry last year too. Until it happened.

    • Sherm

      My knee-jerk answer was to be flip and say “I’m always angry” but that’s not true. In the past, when the team didn’t do well? I would be more disappointed.

      Here’s the thing. Grown men are getting paid millions of dollars to play a game that I LOVE TO PLAY. What a lucky bunch they are to be talented that way and to have that opportunity. I do not question the desire of any major league ballplayer. They all want to win. No doubt. Winning is more fun than losing. I also believe that they all work hard. They do their running, weight-lifting, extra BP, and all that. And so does every single other guy in the league. And so does every one at every level in the minor leagues, which is why guys lose their jobs in sports just like they do in the business world when someone better comes along. So you have to do MORE than just work hard. You have to be smart. You have to understand the nuances of the game. In this day and age, so much data is available that you MUST study like crazy to have (hopefully) greater knowledge of your opponent than he does of you. I, for one, don’t think the Cubs stress that at all. I think they figure their physical talent, youth, and the grace of God will see them through, and meanwhile, other players and teams are working harder and SMARTER to get the job done. I don’t expect them to win the World Series every year. That’s unrealistic – regardless of how GOOD the team is, but I expect to see improvement in HOW they play, and I have not. If anything, they’ve taken a step back – almost to a man. Who, if anyone, is doing better than last year? Jason Heyward. Why? Off-season WORK. Who else? Well, I guess that’s that. Pretty short list, and quite frankly, if Heyward weren’t better than last year? He’d be in a coma, so there’s that.

      Play good ball and get beaten, legitimately? Sure, I want them to win, but I can handle that. I don’t “win” every deal in my business, but the only ones that keep me up at night are the ones where I KNOW I could have done better, or I missed something crucial in the preparation phase. I’m not “yukking it up” in the dugout during a loss. I promise you that.

      • Dork

        I meant the comment in half truths, I think you know that, but maybe others didn’t. I don’t mind as much the “Yukking it up”, though I can see it rubbing others the wrong way, but seriously the game is over, already time to move on. In your analogy have you lost a deal and gone out for a drink and laughed at yourself for missing so badly? Maybe you personally have and maybe you haven’t, but I think it does happen. This happens because you lost and have to move on to the next deal. I don’t think it means you prepare or try less the next time. I agree they care and are are trying, but the edge (whatever that means) is gone. Maybe failing this year is what they need to come back and succeed, it would explain the Giants every other year thing. And it is frustrating to watch no argument there.

        Also I do think we have all changed. Last year was angst about the flaws costing an otherwise really good team. This year we are angry because we have seen these guys play better so we know they can and so we expect better as we should. That is my read on the collective cub fandom anyhow.

      • Sherm

        I pretty much drink and laugh at myself, win or lose, but point taken.

        Maybe they are acting a little cocky and maybe it’s because they ARE the reigning WS champs – so maybe it’s 100% justifiable, but I think you should save cockiness until you are playing better at the time.

        And I used “maybe” three times in that sentence, easily beating “might x 2” the other day.

      • Dork

        You did not say settle down seymour 🙂 I am not a big fan of cockiness in general, but a fine line between that and confidence.

      • Doug S.

        Maybe this isn’t a literary contest, but I might like your comment.

  • Dork

    I love this quote, it makes me chuckle! “Finally, and don’t think for a minute that I MEAN finally, but”

  • Dork

    I hate to say it, but this year kind of makes you admire what the cardinals have done year in and year out.

    • Maybe it’s the jorts.

    • Seymour Butts

      No, nothing does that.

  • Dork

    Here is the one thing that I wonder about, its beyond Joe Maddon I think. The organizational philosophy of the patient aggressiveness. The thought that you wait around for the pitch you can drive. I get that might be a great approach for many players, but I wonder if there are some that it just plain hurts (Starlin). I get that the overall philosophy to drive up pitch counts etc helps get to the bullpen that may help in a latter game in the series. Does this lead some players to be patient at the wrong time (think how many meatballs that you have seen taken on the first pitch?) Should Schwarber and Bryant with all that power really be doing this? Does it lead other players getting too deep into the count and allow the pitcher to throw his best pitch? (one name Javy… there are others) Sometimes, you just need to see the ball and hit the ball (Manny being Manny). Some players this approach might be ideal for Fowler and Zobrist maybe even Hayward or Almora. Pat Hughes always talks about how he thinks that Rizzo is best when he sees the first pitches well and is able to drive that one.

    In today’s game with all the specialized pitching, sometimes the best arms are in the pen. Look at the cubs. Maybe sometimes you are better off attacking the starter because he might be the worst pitcher you will face all day (think all of the 1st inning runs against).

    Does this approach take longer to develop? better for veterans? or is it innate to an extent either you can or you can’t?

    Anyhow, with all failure in situational hitting and driving in runners in scoring position in the last 2 years, this is the one thing I wonder about. Smarter people than me have come up with this philosophy, but it is frustrating to see what you believe to be good to great hitters fail in those situations. (#thebigthingShermwasangryaboutlastyear)

    • Sherm

      #greatcomment!

      My response to that is MAYBE. Here’s why I’m being nebulous about it. It depends on the player. I watched some of the hitters on Detroit last night (and no, they are not having a great year, but that doesn’t make Miggy and Martinez any less great hitters, so I will continue with this example.) They took Corey Kluber deep in counts, and ultimately won the game because of it. They were able to do so because they are good enough hitters to foul off close pitches to keep counts alive. That’s the skill you need – and it’s not easy. Javy Baez taking ANY pitch he could hit is simply stupid. We all know they are going to go all “Soriano” on him with two strikes. Pitcher has to make a foolish mistake NOT to get him out with two strikes.

      The other part of it is that the Cubs, in my opinion, are so home run conscious that it has made them very “pull-happy” (leave it alone, Seymour.) Power hitters these days don’t NEED to pull the ball to hit it out of the park. Bryant, as great as he is and will be, takes more hittable strikes on the outside third of the plate than anyone — and those are balls he could easily drive out of the yard to right or right center. We saw Happ and Schwarber go back to back on opposite field homers the other day…it works. Let’s see more of that. The averages will rocket if they use the whole field, the shifts will be less effective, and they’ll still hit homers. So, enough yanking. (I mean it, Seymour. Just drop it.)

      • Dork

        My response is mostly MAYBE too. The only thing that makes me wonder is the lack of success with RISP vs other teams. It is not like this is a period of time thing. The sample is no longer small. It’s the only reason i can come up with.

        Based on the # of words I had a lot to say today too.

      • Jack King

        You are making my arms hurt.

      • Sherm

        I’ve been told I have that effect…

        ON WOMEN!

    • Doc Raker

      Great point. Hit your pitch no matter when it is thrown

  • Doug S.

    Only caught brief moments of the HRD last night. To anybody that watched – were Ravech and Jessica an upgrade over Berman?

    • Doc Raker

      Bozo the clown is an upgrade over Berman. I can just see Berman practicing his hom run call in front of the mirror. Back Back Back Back Back Back Back Back Back Gone…….um Chris, it was gone before the first Back was spoken. It is TV Chris, people can see when it leaves the yard.

    • Sherm

      I watched it but tried not to listen. The thing that amazed me the most was that Judge hit a LOT of balls poorly – not squared up, and seemingly fly balls to right and right center – and most all of them left the yard. Is he THAT strong? #testhim

      • Doc Raker

        Judge is 7’3″ 320lbs of all muscle. When you are that size you don’t need the juice to hit it 500 feet, when you are Sammy Sosa 6’0′ you need the juice to hit it 500 feet.

      • Bryzzo1744

        Bonds too. When he started he looked like Juan Pierre, but when he retired he looked like a linebacker.

      • Sherm
      • Bryzzo1744

        That’s awesome! I’m in tears laughing. I needed that after an incredibly stressful week so far at work, plus speaking to idiots at Best Buy about a purchase I made. I gave them the purchase # on the receipt and they STILL couldn’t locate the order! How do you explain that? And yet people want $15 an hour? No thank you.

      • Sherm

        You should start your own blog and call it “View from CAPS’ Desk” and you can tell stories about work. You’d have the place all to yourself.

      • Bryzzo1744

        I’m not sharing stories of idiots at work anymore.

      • Ahhhh and there we go. Can’t talk about the idiot customers you are tasked with helping on a daily basis so let’s move on to the idiots at Best Buy. So much better. (P.S. This is sarcasm Caps. If you have a problem with people at Best Buy, take it up with Best Buy. This is not the a forum for you to bitch about your life’s inconveniences, as critical as they may seem to you.)

      • Seymour Butts

        Someone woke up on the wrong side of the pug this morning.
        You do realize that if we are no longer diverted by “Tales from the CAPS”, we will spend that time thinking about the shit sandwich of a baseball team we all love.

      • Our shit sandwich and calling people idiots aren’t the only two things in the world we can talk about. See diarrhea: waist deep.

      • Seymour Butts

        I have…ain’t pretty.

      • Our shit sandwich and our shit sandwich calling people idiots are two of my favorite things.

      • Only for bait. 😉

      • Dork

        Unless the cubs lose in which case lets talk about best buy’s employees.

    • cap’n realist

      I had it on with the volume down…the best way to watch it. It’s not impressive. There are dozens of guys on the slow pitch softball circuit that could hit that many BP bombs. And further. They can’t hit major league pitching, which is why they’re softball players. It’s like the dunk contest in basketball…tired and boring these days.

      • Doc Raker

        I don’t watch it because it is boring and lame.

  • Doc Raker

    JJ should start the next game, the guy has a 0.00 era.

    • Sherm

      And he’s hilarious to watch

  • Doug S.

    Didn’t want to but had to miss the ASG last night.
    Saw this headline on ESPN – “Real or not? Cubs cost NL the All-Star Game and other things you might have missed”
    Really? A closer and a manager cost the NL the game? Man, those guys are good.

  • Jerry in Wisconsin

    I keep reading the headline and thinking, Do we have to, can’t we just give him the cold shoulder?

  • Brad Lyerla

    I am not angry, so much as puzzled. What the f**k happened to our beautiful team?

    Here is a guess. I apologize if others have already offered this theory. I no longer try to read all the posts any more. In that sense, I am as unmotivated as the Cubs players much of the time these days.

    My theory is that the Cubs are suffering mental and physical exhaustion. Not from 2016. But from 2015 combined with 2016. In some ways, it was one long and mostly uninterrupted run. It wore them down and they need to re-charge. I expect them to come back strongly in 2018 after coasting through 2017.

    I am not saying that Maddon is not a problem. I agree with Sherm and others. Maddon has been exposed. His theories are phoney baloney, at least part of the time. I suspect that Joe lost a lot of luster in the eyes of his players and bosses when he choked during the series last fall and almost over managed them into losing to the Clevelands. Once you lose the regard of the people you work with, it takes a lot of time, patience and humility to earn it back. Signs are that Joe is not on the right path to achieve that. He is too busy trying to polish a legacy that he may no longer have.

    I am not sure about firing Joe. It has to be considered. But let’s see what happens in the second half before we pull the trigger.

    • Dork

      My guess is (and it is just a guess) that perception of Joe is different on the inside than it is on the outside.

      • Brad Lyerla

        Your guess is as good as mine.

      • Yeah I agree with you Dork. I’m not a fan of the way he’s been managing this young team (or not managing, as the case may be) but my gut says his players love him. I could be very wrong, no real way to know.

    • Junior Von White

      Quite possible, but nevertheless, unacceptable. If they are suffering from that level of fatigue, people need to get fired. The Yankees produced 23 straight years of winning teams from 1992-2015. If the Cubs are too tired after 2 then something is horribly wrong and needs to change ASAP.

      • Bryzzo1744

        But it wasn’t with the same personal, and aside from the mini-dynasty from 1996-2001, they weren’t always in the World Series.

      • Eddie Von White

        These are grown men, paid hugely to play a game for work. They need to figure out how to have enough stamina to play their game two extra weeks at the end of the “year.” What if you told your boss you were too tired from last year to finish the last two weeks of work this year?

    • Doc Raker

      Would Donna fire Joe?

      • Brad Lyerla

        Ha ha. Maybe. She’s still bummed about Fowler.

  • Doc Raker

    You can’t blame Maddon on the horrific pitching. You can’t fire Joe because the pitching stinks and two important leaders on the team are gone in DRoss and DFowler and no one stayed in shape in the offseason due to the constant celebrations and endorsement deals. Plus, they had to watch DRoss dance in a bedazzled Cubs outfit which caused bedazzled retinopathy for the Cubs hitters. It is very difficult to hit major league pitching with bedazzled retinopathy, trust me on that.

    • Junior Von White

      Why can’t I blame Maddon for those things? A manager’s job is to use the talent available to win the maximum number games, and ultimately a WS. This team is oozing with talent, and no matter what angle I look, Joe is not getting enough wins out of them.

      • Doc Raker

        Is Maddon to blame for Arrieta throwing 91 instead of 96? Is Maddon to blame for Hendricks throwing 6 mph slower and missing his spots? Is Maddon to blame for Lackey being at the end of his career? Is Maddon to blame for Lesters 10 runs in inning 1 of Sunday’s game? There is plenty of blame to go around and Maddon certainly shoulders blame for certain things but not everything. This team is underachieving because of multiple reasons, not just 1 guy.

      • Bartz

        Completely agree.

        Starting pitching ERA is 4.66. It was 2.96 last year.
        Both Hendricks and Lester pitched Cy Young caliber seasons.
        Team batting average is 28th in the league.
        Our lead-off hitter is gone.
        Both veteran catchers are gone.
        They’re still sipping on the Schwarber kool-aid.
        Russell’s head is not in it.
        World Series hangover as the franchise drought is over.

        They need pitching out of their starters. They will continue to be a .500 team without it. I’d be looking to trade for a legitimate starter and solidifying the lead-off spot if they’re going to make a move in the division. And they just got Quintana lol

      • Junior Von White

        Yes and no. The players are responsible for their performance and Maddon is responsible for managing the talent and helping players perform their best. Maddon has done an extremely poor job of managing the talent this year. What has Maddon done to fix Arietta, Hendricks, Lackey, and Lester? From what I can tell, just about nothing. If they are that bad, get some other guys pitching. I don’t know, move some guys from the bullpen, but please do something. My question is this; Do you think great managers like LaRussa, Girardi, or Francona would have the same managerial record for this year with this team? I sure do not think so, and therefore I am unhappy with Maddon’s performance.

  • Dork

    Holy crap the cubs just made a trade with the whitesox for Jose Quintana

    • Dork

      This is a moment like the Addison Russell trade, maybe a bigger shock.

      • Bryzzo1744

        I love it! We have so much talent. We need to start thinning out the hitters for some pitching. I just hope the players the trash got flame out because their fans are still insufferable shits who are nothing but Cubs haters who need a team to root for.

      • Dork

        I did not think they would give up Eloy or Cease for that matter. I think the Sox did well too.

      • cap’n realist

        Wow. A front line starting LHP that can hold runners AND field his position. It will mkake at least one out of the next 5 games worth watching.

      • Jerry in Wisconsin

        All he needs is the Strop hat, the triangle mouth, and the goggles.

    • Jerry in Wisconsin

      The questions are now, when will he start? and is Montgomery still starting on Friday?

  • Bryzzo1744

    Once Hendricks and Lackey are back, it should be Quintana, Arrieta, Lester, Hendricks and Lackey (in no particular order). Anderson is done, Butler and Montgomery are swing guys. We’ll need Lackey to get to October, but come October he should be in the pen.

  • Seymour Butts

    …and just like that a smile crossed their collective faces.

  • chrismartin17

    You’re wrong.

  • Buddy

    It has certainly been a disappointing season so far, but I don’t see a lack of effort from the team. A lack of execution? Absolutely! Anyway, very interesting trade today. Steep price to pay, but I do like the deal overall.