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October 2011



What Do You Want In the CBA?

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Happy Friday everyone. Here is the discussion question for the day:

With MLB working on negotiations for the new collective bargaining agreement, what changes, big or small, would you like to see be included in the finished product?

Here are just a few of mine:

1. Expanding the playoffs to 10 teams

2. Shortening the season to 154 games

3. Home field advantage for the World Series determined by the previous year’s World Series winner. If the NL won last year then they get the advantage this year.

4, Allowing the teams to trade draft picks.

5. Expanding rosters to 40 for the month of April and remaining at 25 through the end of the season beginning May 1.

What are yours?

  • Mordecai Brown

    I’d like to see the major league rosters expand to 27 from April through August, then 40 until the end of the season. 27 man rosters would allow more strategy by managers, using a deeper bench to affect late inning results. The 25 man roster was designed when teams carried only 10 or 11 pitchers. 12 is the common number now.

  • Mark in Toronto

    I don’t agree on more playoff teams, I feel there are enough now and the playoffs seem to drag on and on due to all the days between games and the like. As a result, I’d also keep the same 162 game regular season. I’d also keep the same home field advantage rule in place as it at least gives some meaning to the all-star game result. Finally, I don’t really agree on larger rosters for the month of April either, I’d rather see slightly expanded rosters for the entire season from April to August, perhaps around 28 players.

  • Eddie Von White

    I second what Mark just said.

    Mordecai Brown – I don’t believe we’ve met – welcome – love the name.

  • Dusty Baylor

    I’d like to see a hard salary cap….at say $175 million, and a floor of $50 million.

    I doubt the owners will want to expand rosters, and pay more salaries…even if it’s 3 guys making the minimum. I remember some years ago when the owners colluded too set rosters at 24 players unofficially to avoid paying.
    Cub managers have a hard enough time using the bench now…let’s not confuse them with more choices…lol.


    Add the DH to the NL. If not, spice up interleague play by having pitchers hit in AL parks, DH in NL parks.
    Home field advantage should be determined by record only.
    September call-ups can be on the post-season rosters, without needing to DL someone else

  • Chuck

    From a big-picture perspective, I think the game is fine as-is. No more playoff teams. No DH in the NL even though it gives the AL teams an advantage in the regular season. Maybe some minor divisional realignment and a salary floor as minor tweaks. The only significant changes I could get behind are a shortened season and more balanced schedules.
    I forgot one thing. Get rid of interleague play. It is an abomination that never should have happened in the first place. It takes away some of the mystery from the World Series because the teams may have played each other before.
    A lot of the tinkering I would do in the CBA would be with a lot of the behind-the-scenes stuff like Rule 5 drafts, Type A and Type B free agents, arbitration, trading draft picks, and other stuff like that. I am not sure what I wuld do, but those are the areas I would take a look at.

  • Doc Raker

    Could you imagine how long a Transition Tony managed game would take if he had 2 or 3 extra players on the bench. The pitching changes, double switches and pinch hitters would be seemingness endless. Imagine the collective groan from the Wrigleyville Population every time Transition Tony went to the mound.

  • Doc Raker

    1) Hard salary cap based on league revenue. The players get a percentage of revenue. It works well in the NHL and best of all minimizes these off season bidding wars.
    2) Balanced schedules.
    3) Elimination of the DH.
    4) Less days off during playoffs.

  • mrbig

    I think that they should change the rule about an all star coming from each team.

  • Noah

    1) I think they should only add one guy to the roster to make it a 26 man active roster, but they should also limit rosters to having a maximum of 12 pitchers.

    2) Get rid of draft compensation for free agents. It hasn’t worked out the way the league intended, and has pretty much only benefitted the rich teams.

    3) Agree on balanced schedules.

    4) When active rosters expand to 40 in September, teams should still only be able to suit up a typical active roster each game. It creates too much of an advantage for teams who don’t have their AAA clubs in the postseason. Teams can change who is active for each game on a daily basis (e.g., I’m facing a team full of power hitting lefties, I can load up my active roster for that series with left handed relievers).

  • Norm

    Get rid of divisions. One American League of 15 teams, one National League of 15 teams, top 4 in each league to go playoffs.

    Trade draft picks.

    get rid of free agent compensation.

    Don’t mind the expanded rosters, but copy football and have ‘inactives’ so only 25 players can be active for the games.

  • 1) lenses that react to conditions by changing in both tint and hue
    2) bullpen phones that work

  • flyslinger2


  • Jedi

    More doubleheaders.

  • Buddy

    1. Eliminate the “each team gets an Allstar” rule
    2. Determine WS home field by best regular season record

  • mrbaseball2usa

    @Jedi Agreed, but not the day / night kind… we want the Bingo Banks “Lets play two” kind.

  • Seymour Butts

    Change the color of the bull pen back pack from pink to chartreuse.
    If the manager intends to make a pitching change, he must skip to the mound, if he walks or trots, the pitcher must remain in the game.
    Player receiving the league minimum salary may be paid in pizza coupons.

  • Eddie Von White

    Good idea, Buddy. The best regular season record should determine home field advantage for the World Series. Also, the All Star game is more hype than anything, forget about giving it any significance.

    And, it looks like the rain delay from Wed is going to be advantageous (is that a word?) to St. Louis because they’re talking about Carpentird starting again tonight on 3 days rest. Maybe it will backfire.

    Swanson – I got a question for you, why do they still use bull pen phones at all? They still have cords on them and are tethered to the wall – do they know how ridiculous that makes them look, picking up the phone and “dialing up” the bull pen? Maybe if they were calling to have Phil Regan get up I could see it, but he retired in about 1970.

    Slinger – Milwaukee already has cheerleaders – the sausages.

  • Eddie Von White

    Seymour – I like the skipping idea – I just see Tony LaRussa now…

  • chris in illinois

    1. Agree with Norm’s two league 15 team divisions.
    2. No more playoff teams, anyone remember the last day of the season this year??
    3. DH in the NL.
    4. 27 man rosters, no need to designate an ‘active’ 25 though, the two inactive will always be the previous two starting pitchers—it’d just be an exercise in pencil whipping.
    5. World Series homefield advantage decided by which team’s starting first baseman can throw Delino DeShields the farthest.

  • Jedi

    Seymour, coupons typically have a redemption value of 1/100th of a cent. So first we’d need to find out how many coupons said player was going to use, and then provide enough additional coupons so that the 1/100th of a cents made up the difference in salary…but I like the idea.

  • mrbig

    Forget the bullpen phone, just shoot em a text.

  • Eddie Von White

    Jedi – Can we forget the day/night doubleheaders? Those are a rip-off. Let’s do them back to back like we used to.

  • Eddie Von White

    First – Tony would have to change out of his transitions into his bifocals to send a text, then he’d have to skip out to the mound without his glasses falling off his face, while the ump watches carefully to make sure his skip doesn’t turn into a trot,thus forcing the pitcher to remain in the game. This could add a whole new dimension to the game.

  • HotRuta

    Won’t happen, but get rid of guaranteed contracts. It hasn’t killed the NFL.

  • Doug S.

    I don’t know if this would be part of the CBA or not, but I’d like to see a reply challenge system put into place on plays at the bags. Obviously with some limitations. I don’t have the answers, but I’d like to see something.

  • Doug S.

    Proof read you dummy.
    That’s REPLAY

  • CubbieDude

    Home field advantage in the World Series should be determined by the ex-Cub factor: team with the most ex-Cubs on its roster (including management) either gets or gives up home field advantage.

    Or which ever team comps me the best “hotel, airline, luxury box & per diem” package gets home field advantage.

    Or else determine home field advantage by a coin toss at the end of the playoffs.

    Teams should be able to cut players (and their expensive, multiyear contracts). For instance, if a player gets 5 years at $20 million per year, and if the team determines that, say 2 years into it, he’s just not worth it, the team should be able to cut the player and his contract.
    From the fan’s perspective, it seems like some free agents lapse into ‘semi-retirement” mode immediately upon signing the contract of a lifetime (I’m not saying this is deliberate). The possibility of getting cut would provide them with an incentive to stay with the program ie., get paid for current performance, not for past performance.
    The CBA could require the team to guarantee the player the league minimum for the duration of the original contract if he gets cut.

  • CubbieDude

    Oh yeah. All teams should be required to schedule, say, 80% of their home games during the day.
    This would automatically shift the disadvantage to teams playing in hot, miserable locales (unless their ball parks are climate controlled, of course), and shift the advantage to us.
    What about all the fans/potential customers who work during the day? Screw them. As Ferris Bueller said, we dassn’t cater to folks whose priorities are so far out of whack. Reward creativity!

  • Chuck

    I would have thought that my anti-interleague play stance would have generated more comments…
    RE Contracts: I don’t mind guaranteed contracts. One of the reasons why I stopped watching NFL is that 2/3 of the team was different from year to year. I never knew who was on the team and that made it hard to root for them. That being said, I think the pendulum has swung back towards guaranteed contracts in the NFL because a lot of players are only signing contracts with large signing bonuses and/or a portion of the contract that is guaranteed.
    Guaranteed contracts also makes it more important to get a competent GM. Just like in poker, a good GM has to know when to walk away from a player because of size and length of the contract.
    You gotta know when to hold em
    Know when to fold em
    Know when to walk away
    Know when to run…

  • CubbieDude

    Chuck: The players come and go but the fans remain.

  • Buddy

    I’m all for Chris’ “DeShields toss” idea.

  • Randy

    1> Salary Cap based upon a percentage of revenue.
    2> Revenue sharing, with a minimum spent on salary.
    3> End of Arbitration, and the 5/10 rule.
    4> End of Guaranteed Contracts longer than three years.
    5> Scott Boras thrown off the Sears Tower.

  • Doc Raker

    I like ending of guaranteed contracts but the union will NEVER allow it. Maybe Randy’s suggestion about capping the guarantee at 3 years max could work. Although at that point signing bonuses would be in vogue and everything would be front loaded, probably still better than a Soriano contract. Now that the WS is over we should have a raffle on who can come closest to the Pujols contract. I say he asks for 10 years $300M and gets 8 years $220M, hopefully not from the Cubs.

  • Buddy

    I think Doc’s prediction is solid. Eight years for Pujols. And I say he stays with the Cards.

  • Doc Raker

    Epstein said, “There’s this myth about the 4-A hitter. Guys who perform all the way up the Minor Leagues, dominate Triple-A, get a cup of coffee, they hit [.150] in the big leagues, and everybody labels them a 4-A hitter. The reality is, I’m not so sure there is something called a 4-A hitter. It’s just [a] pretty good Major League hitter who never got an opportunity.” Glad to hear Theo looks like he will give LaHair a shot. I think a few of you were on the
    4-A bandwagon, cmon, admit it, raise your hand.

  • He left out the part where they start fighting hams in Asia.

  • Jedi

    I thought those AAAA guys were just called “future Orioles”

  • Buddy

    I would call guys like Tommy Gregg “4A” players.

  • chris in illinois

    1. AAAA players: A lot of these guys are players that can hit, but can’t actually field a position.
    2. Regarding guaranteed contracts and their length, salary caps and floors: seems like many of the commentators on this board who otherwise seem to be free-market libertarian/conservatives are very quick to want to regulate the market for baseball talent. This is very confusing to me; either markets are efficient or they aren’t. The salary structure is already slanted in favor of the teams (potentially a player’s first eleven pro years are under the control of the team with only arbitration in place to help)…those first years are usually the players’ best and usually they are underpaid. I didn’t realize that so many folks on thiis board were closet socialists.

  • Doc Raker

    Is Tommy Greg and Oriole?